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Offline Phil

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100hz 1080p LCD
« on: 17 April 2007, 10:46:53 AM »
I have been waiting for some time now to buy a 1080p LCD TV between 37” – 46”.
I have waited all this time because of my disappointment in the way the current LCD’s handle motion and SD content.
Therefore I was excited to see the news of 1080p LCD's at 100 Hz for there motion handling ability. I have seen that there are a few 100 Hz 720p/1080i sets, but I'm trying to hang on until a decent 1080p is released. Does anyone know of any such TV’s and possible release dates? The Sharp LC-46HD1E sound good with a built in hard drive. Does anyone know any more on this?
Cheers, Phil.

Offline Colin

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Re: 100hz 1080p LCD
« Reply #1 on: 18 April 2007, 09:24:45 PM »
Yeah Sharp, Toshiba and Sony is out with 100Hz 1080p LCDs this year. Don't know about dates.

Worth waiting for, if motion is a big problem for you.

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Re: 100hz 1080p LCD
« Reply #2 on: 20 April 2007, 03:50:41 PM »
Motion is also one of my reasons not buying a flatscreen at this point, but the Panasonic TX32LXD70 100-HZ review here shows that things are changing for the better. If they had a 37 inch model I think I would buy one, but 32" is the biggest they make.
So now Im looking at the Panasonic-TH-37PV70 plasma, because they say plasma doesnt have motion problems ? , and this model you dont have to calibrate much. the point is I dont wanna buy a tv that cost about 1000-2000 Euro !!, and that isnt any better or the same as my CRT.
Cya

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Re: 100hz 1080p LCD
« Reply #3 on: 03 May 2007, 11:21:33 AM »
I just spoke to a Sony centre in Plymouth and he tells me the 2 new sets the D3000 and S3000 will not be 1080p. What a disappointment. >:(

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Re: 100hz 1080p LCD
« Reply #4 on: 04 May 2007, 01:53:05 PM »
Sony is hoping that buyers make the leap of faith for a more expensive, but lower resolution panel.  ;)

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Re: 100hz 1080p LCD
« Reply #5 on: 15 May 2007, 07:26:22 AM »
I just spoke to a Sony centre in Plymouth and he tells me the 2 new sets the D3000 and S3000 will not be 1080p. What a disappointment. >:(

I spoked to a Sony person yesterday by telephone and he told me that the D3000 had 1080p, but I read a review some where that stated that it didn't.

On another website it stated that the 46" D3000 had 1080p.

Therefore, I shall probably have to wait for probably the end of June when the television (TV) should be marketed in England to findout whether or not it has 1080p.

It doesn't make sense if there isn't a 1080p version of D3000 and S3000 if that is the case.

At the moment it appears that Philips is arguably the best 37"-42" TV with 720p resolution.

If the new Panasonic 32" LCD TV is excellent (Which? magazine claims it is best) if a 40" version is created than Sony will arguably lose its number one position.

I think that Sony is creating a 11" OLED for 2008 and Toshiba is trying to create up to a 30" OLED for 2009.

It is unfortunate that Canon and Toshiba is stuck in a legal dispute about SED technology.

What has happened to Laser Technology or was it just hype?

If Sony doesn't market a 1080p D3000 in June then it deserve to lose its arguably number one position.

What I would also like to know is how much would it cost for Sony to upgrade the KDL-40W2000 with D3000 features or are they just penny pinching?

Before I forget again, the cloudy display problem (I read some where) should have been solved back in 2006 so why does it still exist?

Sony's solution - cloudy problems:-
http://support.sony-europe.com/hotnews/tv/lcdwx/lcdwx.asp?l=en
« Last Edit: 15 May 2007, 07:41:08 AM by Barrington »

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Re: 100hz 1080p LCD
« Reply #6 on: 15 May 2007, 11:19:45 AM »
Yes I have been hearing different resolutions for the D3000 panel, but the general consensus seems to be below 1080p.

Panasonic 32 inch is very good but last I checked, IPS panels don't go above 37 inch.

Regarding the cloud problem, it is not a solution. It's hiding the problem. The clouds are still there, just not visible under the correct settings. The problem will continue for some time I think, and so will banding.


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Re: 100hz 1080p LCD
« Reply #7 on: 17 May 2007, 12:27:24 AM »
Yes I have been hearing different resolutions for the D3000 panel, but the general consensus seems to be below 1080p.

Panasonic 32 inch is very good but last I checked, IPS panels don't go above 37 inch.

Regarding the cloud problem, it is not a solution. It's hiding the problem. The clouds are still there, just not visible under the correct settings. The problem will continue for some time I think, and so will banding.




Yes I have been hearing different resolutions for the D3000 panel, but the general consensus seems to be below 1080p.

Panasonic 32 inch is very good but last I checked, IPS panels don't go above 37 inch.

Regarding the cloud problem, it is not a solution. It's hiding the problem. The clouds are still there, just not visible under the correct settings. The problem will continue for some time I think, and so will banding.




Colin thank you for stating that although the cloudy display problem hasn't been solved but it won't affect the picture if the correct settings are set - one less problem to worry about.

Yesterday, I contacted Sony's head office again and spoked to their Marketing Department.

I maybe wrong, but after speaking to somebody (who appears to be actually and literally competent) I won't bore you with my list of questions) within Sony's Core Team, and also now after talking to somebody in their Marketing Team (who asked other staff and carried out research) I have now resigned myself to the fact that the Sony 40" D3000 actually and literally will not be able to play 1080p resolution.

I have now continue to believe that the Sony KDL-40W2000, arguably is best value 40", 1080p TV in the world.

Some of the reasons why:
1) I am glad that I was right that cloudy is no longer a problem - once again thank you, Colin!
2) Told by Sony:-
A) D3000 will actually not be 1920x1080p (1080p) resolution (especially with S3000 series & the competion) stupid!
B1) All TVs should be calibrated, because the brightness is usually set to the highest setting - for showroom displays
2)  All TVs should be properly calibrated; brighness, contrasts, and colour etcetera even if they look correct.
3) On certain normal (SD) DVDs that contain THX - the THX is a special feature that could be used to calibrate TVs.
    It is interesting that it seems that Philips and Pioneer as part of their normal set-up also calibrates their TVs
    without consumers realizing that they are actually calibrating their TVs - ingenius.
4) At the moment, I am using Star Wars III - If you don't see it on the main menu, < Language Selection >
    The THX logo maybe on the left- or right hand corner but it could als be in the top middle of the screen.
    Just follow the instructions - to move to the next screen press either < PLAY >, < >> >, or < > >.
    Before buying a THX DVD ask Virgin, HMV & Woolworths could you get a refund if it is wrong first - they'll agree.
5) Then follow Sony's solution-cloudy problems (if nessary copy & paste website link into a browser search engine):-
http://support.sony-europe.com/hotnews/tv/lcdwx/lcdwx.asp?l=en
6) If there are any cloudy problems IMMEDIATELY contact the seller despite that it maybe a run-in problem.
    Cloudiness could also be temporary, because the LCD TV may have to be run-in.
C) Despite, that the Sony's Core Team person that I spoke to hasn't seen the Sony D3000, but taking into account his expertise and all the features he still regarded that the Sony KDL-40W2000 would produce a better picture than the Sony 40" D3000 when it arrives in June.Marketing person that I spoked to also stated gave me the same advice.
C2) Took into account probably all 40" D3000- versus KDL-40W2000 features - Sony KDL-40W2000 should be best.
D1) I did wanted a HDMI 1.3 TV but I shall have to satisfy with the Sony KDL-40W2000 for the moment, because a
      relative has to replace faulty Sony CRT urgently - some reasons why given below.
2) Appears that the early generations of HDMI 1.3 TVs are a con - Customers thinking getting full HDMI 1.3 but not.
3) Sony D3000 should be 1080p, and have much better picture quality in 1080p resolution.
4) Philips won't be creating a 1080p until next year and Panasonic only created an excellent 32" LCD - Which? Mag.
5) If plasma won't include 'burn-in', because they don't trust their TVs then I am not stupid enough to buy one.
    'Dead pixels' that could occur in LCDs - are included in guarantees.

D2) Samsung LE40M87BDX claimed to be HDMI 1.3, but it contains poor picture quality including banding (pasty flesh tone - in a number of reviews), HDMI 1.3 should have high definition (HD) sound, it doesn't seem that the picture quality is better than the Sony KDL-40W2000 HDMI 1.1 (think) when it should be much better that probably explains why its price is so low.

E1) Therefore if cloudiness or bleeding is a problem whilst watching a picture on the Sony 1080p LCDs then Sony should solve the problem.  Some TVs are just faulty I was told and should be replaced that some consumers may not be aware of.

Therefore, above are some of my reasons for getting a Sony KDL-40W2000.  Before I forget, the X is too expensive and there probably is not much if any difference between the 'W' and the 'X' series using an excellent (digital and HD) source.  Therefore, hopefully the poor standard definition (SD) ratings in some reviews are due to a poor analogue (TV aerial) or digital (over compress) sources with excellent cables and products etcetera.

I believe that:-
1) Gamers will substantially improve the HD technology has what they have done with Comuter technology.
2) The organisation that have created HD I think has created resolution at least 10 or 20 times superior to 1080p.
3) At least three compaines have created HD TVs with 4Kx2K (4,000x2,000).
4) Read some where that for long term storage would require 1080p, 24 frames per second (fps,p) - 1080i no good!
5) Editing in digital should be cheaper than analogue.
6) Read some where that the most it would cost would be 15% to convert SD equipment to HD, for example
    cameras and editing equipemnt.
7) If necessary broadcasters and film studios could always reduce the pay of some over paid staff.

Selfishly, hopefully shouldn't apply to Virgin broadband with an excellent system.But soon find out.
Any unresolvable problems I shall ask for either a replacement or money back.  The excuse about blaiming the technology - if HD proiducts isn't fit for its purpose then they shouldn't be selling the HD products.  Besides, if some people have excellent TVs I shall want one of the excellent TVs and not a faulty one.  They should substantailly improve their quality control.  When Sony or their supporters claim that the price would have to be higher with better quality control, than they should start by increasing the price of the subsidised USA consumers.


Useful, What-Hi-Fi? Sound and Vision; November 2006 (40" TV) & April 2007 (Ultimate Guide) mag also website:-

http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/televisions/0,139102139,1,00.htm

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Re: 100hz 1080p LCD
« Reply #8 on: 19 May 2007, 11:39:17 PM »
The Tosbia M100 technology is a currently frame repeat 50>100 and 60>120, so there is a chance that with a 1080p24 input it will convert to 1080p60 using 3:2 and then repeat each frame to give 120Hz.

e.g
1080p24
1,2,3,4,etc
1080p60 (3:2)
1,1,1,2,2,3,3,3,4,4
1080p120 (double 60)
1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,3,3,3,3,3,3,4,4,4,4
as opposed to 1080p24 x 5
1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,3,3,3,3,3,4,4,4,4,4

So just because a TV has a 100/120Hz feature doesn't mean it will display at 24p x 5, you will need to check the brochures and wait for a decent review.

RockySpieler

Offline Phantoma

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Re: 100hz 1080p LCD
« Reply #9 on: 21 May 2007, 10:59:25 AM »
When will we see 100hz/120hz LCD hdtv's with LED back lighting?

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Re: 100hz 1080p LCD
« Reply #10 on: 21 May 2007, 12:59:02 PM »
Useful, What-Hi-Fi? Sound and Vision; November 2006 (40" TV) & April 2007 (Ultimate Guide) mag also website:-

In my opinion What Hi-Fi is nearly useless source when it comes to reviews... too many products are given 5 stars or othervise "best buy" status. Not very deep testing behind their stories...  >:(

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Re: 100hz 1080p LCD
« Reply #11 on: 06 June 2007, 02:04:46 PM »
 ;D They have a PS3 and much bigger budget. Perhaps we should be working for them?