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Re: Samsung LE40B650 Review
« Reply #15 on: 20 April 2009, 06:11:38 PM »
Thanks for a nice review! I have ordered an LE40B650, which is on its way! Like some other in this thread, I would really like to know what the calibrated settings were. Thanks!

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Re: Samsung LE40B650 Review
« Reply #16 on: 27 April 2009, 02:11:14 AM »
If you're chasing calibration for this set I would start with the settings shown in Vincent's review.

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Re: Samsung LE40B650 Review
« Reply #17 on: 29 April 2009, 09:00:15 AM »
I queried with Samsung the meaning of 'Colour space auto' and this is their reply:

Colour Space - Auto, would take a portion of the source's pixels and
adjust it automatically by determining what colours are displayed and
adjusting them to be as natural as possible. The benefit of this is some
programs may be broadcast dull or too light and the TV can attempt to
change this for a better viewing image.


Oh dear - so a programme like '20,000 Streets Under the Sky', which was made to look 'sepia' for artistic reasons, would find the colour wound up. I don't think so.  ::) I now have the colour space set to Native and the colour control back to the nominal 50.

Samsung have also promised to feed back my comments regarding overscan and widescreen switching to the appropriate department although there is no guarantee of action.

I have also been checking the delay through the TV so that I can set the compensating audio delay on the scaler correctly. I don't have the means to check video delay directly, so on the assumption that Samsung have got their own audio delay right, I decided to check that instead. I used the sound from the BBC A/V Sync Test as the source. I fed the video from the scaler into the HDMI/DVI input to keep the TV on 1080p. I fed the audio into 'DVI Audio In' and took the output from the headphone jack. I used an oscilloscope to check the delay.

The result is that the delay is 120ms which is exactly 3 frames (PAL). Therefore for NTSC the delay will be 100ms (I didn't test this but it certainly looks right on programmes).

So assuming Samsung have got the audio delay right I have set my scaler accordingly and it definitely looks right. In the worst case (PAL interlaced source) where a lot of the scaler audio delay is used up correcting for its own deinterlacer, I can only just get enough delay but at 112ms it's near enough.

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Re: Samsung LE40B650 Review
« Reply #18 on: 29 April 2009, 01:04:41 PM »
The Sony 40KDLW5500 or Samsung LE40B650 for me.  The clouding issue puts me off the Sony the most.  As for the input lag, according to the reviews, both models have roughly the same lag in Game mode so if that's all that's putting you off go for the Samsung (unless you're talking about the W4500).

Me, I'm going to check out Richer Sounds and compare the picture quality of both sets to help me decide.

How did that go?

I'm in the same boat, i'm stuck between the Sony KDL40W4500, KDL40W5500, and the Samsung LE40A656/686 and LE40B650.
Input lag is going to be the deciding factor as it will mainly be used for Xbox360. I currently use a Samsung LE32R74 which seems to have a noticable lag (now using game mode) so anything better would be great.

What should i buy??  ???

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Re: Samsung LE40B650 Review
« Reply #19 on: 30 April 2009, 10:03:47 AM »
Dear Vincent,

Thank you for this site exceptional, it is really a reference!

Concerning the series b650, can you post the calibration for a colometry D65 as in your test?

Thank you in advance and Best regards.  ;)

Offline stanislaus

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Re: Samsung LE40B650 Review
« Reply #20 on: 03 May 2009, 06:13:11 PM »
Hi,
I've got a one question concerning input lag in Game Mode (Playstation3). Does application of new firmware (LCD TV LB650, 750 series USB Firmware (ver.T-CHL7DEUC-1008.0) fix the problem (current delay as we know:  between 17ms and 34ms )?
Best,
Stan  :)

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Re: Samsung LE40B650 Review
« Reply #21 on: 11 May 2009, 01:15:16 PM »
FOR VINCENT:

In the analysis of the 7000 series LED Samsung has been quite critical of the auto-dimming.

Why this TV has not said anything?

Thanks  ::)
« Last Edit: 11 May 2009, 01:35:59 PM by xavidvd »

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Re: Samsung LE40B650 Review
« Reply #22 on: 19 May 2009, 10:17:42 AM »
I recently purchased the Samsung LE40B650 from my local Richer Sounds store. I am currently running a PS3 via HDMI to watch Blu Rays on and I have come accross a extremely frustrating situation. When ever I playback DVD movies there is an extreme amount of motion smearing & blurring which is even more apparent in dark scenes. The best example of this is the third or fourth scene in from the DVD 'No country for old men'. When Llewelyn gets out of his jeep and walks over towards the dead mexican in his jeep, what i can only a call a echo/smearing type effect appears over his body when walking. Also when playing back Bluray movies motion does not appear to be rock solid either with small amounts of motion smearing.

To confuse the matter more i hooked a samsung upscaling dvd player via HDMI and the effect seems to lessen some what. Also turning the Game Mode function on i.e disabling a lot of the built in video processing seemed to improve the situation. This hardly being ideal.

Anyone had any similar problems or maybe remedies to solve the problem?

Thanks

Neil

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Re: Samsung LE40B650 Review
« Reply #23 on: 21 May 2009, 10:07:23 PM »

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Re: Samsung LE40B650 Review
« Reply #24 on: 22 May 2009, 05:13:39 AM »
I got the 55" version of the B650. I thought the picture was great right out of the box. Personally I don't care much about calibration as long as the picture pleases me. However I tried the settings posted by David Robinson. Maybe the 55" is very different from the 40", but the picture was unwatchable for me with these settings and I went right back to factory defaults. Eventually I'll give Vincent's settings a try.

Great site and forum!
« Last Edit: 22 May 2009, 05:22:24 AM by darnok »

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Re: Samsung LE40B650 Review
« Reply #25 on: 25 May 2009, 01:07:52 PM »
Hi,

Thank you very much for the b650 serie's settings. It's really a chance to have them.

But i have two questions to perfect these settings :
- Can you specify if you use the firmware "1004" (original) or the new "1008" ?
- And i think colour tone "warm 2" is a little blue. The settings isn't with "warm 3" ?

 :D
Warmest regards  ;)

Offline David Robinson

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Re: Samsung LE40B650 Review
« Reply #26 on: 25 May 2009, 02:08:57 PM »
... I tried the settings posted by David Robinson. Maybe the 55" is very different from the 40", but the picture was unwatchable for me with these settings and I went right back to factory defaults.

Just out of interest, what exactly was wrong with the picture?

I have now tried Vincent's settings (except for the RGB cutoffs which are unique to each TV) and I must say I am mightily impressed. The picture immediately looks natural, realistic and just 'right'. It's true that the new white point looks odd at first - particularly on captions - but you soon get used to it. My set always had a slight magenta look to it, this has now gone.

I guess it would be possible to start with any of the picture modes and set up the correct colorimetry. On the movie mode as used by Vincent, the backlight is a lot lower - I am using 9 for viewing with daylight. Maybe it would have been better to start with 'Standard' as the baseline, then more backlight range would have been available.

One other thing I have noticed is that on my set, I need slightly different settings for the internal DTT tuner, compared to HDMI. The tuner seems to need slightly lower brightness and saturation. Where could the discrepancy be? I am suspicious that the tuner may be taken as analogue rather than a direct digital link. This seems to be quite common practice. My previous Sony LCD took ALL inputs as analogue - the internal tuner and the HDMI too!

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Re: Samsung LE40B650 Review
« Reply #27 on: 26 May 2009, 11:12:45 AM »
I have now tried Vincent's settings (except for the RGB cutoffs which are unique to each TV) and I must say I am mightily impressed. The picture immediately looks natural, realistic and just 'right'. It's true that the new white point looks odd at first - particularly on captions - but you soon get used to it. My set always had a slight magenta look to it, this has now gone.

I guess it would be possible to start with any of the picture modes and set up the correct colorimetry. On the movie mode as used by Vincent, the backlight is a lot lower - I am using 9 for viewing with daylight. Maybe it would have been better to start with 'Standard' as the baseline, then more backlight range would have been available.

One other thing I have noticed is that on my set, I need slightly different settings for the internal DTT tuner, compared to HDMI. The tuner seems to need slightly lower brightness and saturation. Where could the discrepancy be? I am suspicious that the tuner may be taken as analogue rather than a direct digital link. This seems to be quite common practice. My previous Sony LCD took ALL inputs as analogue - the internal tuner and the HDMI too!

Thanks for your contribution... glad you liked the settings.

[Picture Mode] "Standard" limits us to [Colour Tone] "Normal" IIRC, which is far more difficult to bring in line with video industry standard as the initial deviation is greater.

Standard-def PAL and high-definition Rec.709 comprise different specifications, which is why ideally one should calibrate SD separately from HD sources. I only calibrated in HD because I have easier access to HD test material.

Warmest regards
Vincent

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Re: Samsung LE40B650 Review
« Reply #28 on: 16 June 2009, 04:21:16 PM »
i recently bought an LE40B651 which i assume is the same with LE40B650.Now when it comes to calibrating the TV i can not achieve ''size:screen fit''.
Anyone copuld help?

thanks in advance
« Last Edit: 16 June 2009, 04:26:39 PM by auditt79 »

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Re: Samsung LE40B650 Review
« Reply #29 on: 18 June 2009, 11:09:56 PM »
i cannot grasp the fact that this tv doesnt have any wireless conectivity, an IEE 802.11g/b
type adapter retail about £10, it dosnt even seem to have bluetooth.
i would like to know if would a usb wireless adapter work, to save unsightly wires?