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Re: 2012 Panasonic Plasma HDTVs
« Reply #45 on: 22 March 2012, 09:01:57 PM »

Dark silver - not very reflective.
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Re: 2012 Panasonic Plasma HDTVs
« Reply #46 on: 22 March 2012, 09:06:00 PM »

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Re: 2012 Panasonic Plasma HDTVs
« Reply #47 on: 22 March 2012, 09:15:40 PM »
Ahh! Competition ;)

I kid - good review, good to see they were as happy as we were.
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Re: 2012 Panasonic Plasma HDTVs
« Reply #48 on: 22 March 2012, 09:16:51 PM »
Ahh! Competition ;)

I kid - good review, good to see they were as happy as we were.

Looks like Panny are on a winner this year? :)

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Re: 2012 Panasonic Plasma HDTVs
« Reply #49 on: 22 March 2012, 09:35:54 PM »
Ahh! Competition ;)

I kid - good review, good to see they were as happy as we were.

Looks like Panny are on a winner this year? :)

Looking at the 'Pros on the avf reveiw most of them the Samsungs already have apart from the Black levels. Look at the Cons, 'Mild Posterisation' Slight 50hz Issue' . NO THANKS Panasonic, i will be getting the 2012 Samsung methinks  ::)
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Re: 2012 Panasonic Plasma HDTVs
« Reply #50 on: 23 March 2012, 12:54:02 AM »
David,

Just a note to say that this is the best TV review I have ever read (out of 100s no doubt).  Great job!

I do wonder what Samsung have up their sleeve.  We know Panasonic have the technology for the outstanding blacks but can Samsung get anywhere close?  If it can then 2012 will be an amazing year to upgrade your plasma  :D

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Re: 2012 Panasonic Plasma HDTVs
« Reply #51 on: 23 March 2012, 07:33:58 AM »
David,

Just a note to say that this is the best TV review I have ever read (out of 100s no doubt).  Great job!

I do wonder what Samsung have up their sleeve.  We know Panasonic have the technology for the outstanding blacks but can Samsung get anywhere close?  If it can then 2012 will be an amazing year to upgrade your plasma  :D

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Re: 2012 Panasonic Plasma HDTVs
« Reply #52 on: 23 March 2012, 10:15:54 AM »
Thank you for the welcome  ;D

Are we expecting both ST50 and GT50 from 1st April?

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« Reply #53 on: 23 March 2012, 12:18:28 PM »
David,

on the avf review comments Steve suggested in calibrated mode light output was 90cd/m2 max, I was under the impression the samsungs topped this by some margin (120cd/m2 etc), is this not the case?
Also you mention that side by side with the G20 (0.02cd/m2) that the ST50 at 0.009cd/m2 (approx 0.001cd/m2 difference) was "significantly darker" yet when people have suggested before that this level of difference is noticeable by eye all the experts tell us this is not the case, I don't understand
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Re: 2012 Panasonic Plasma HDTVs
« Reply #54 on: 23 March 2012, 12:24:17 PM »
Dark silver - not very reflective.

David I was under the impression the bezel is dark grey (gun metal) rather than silver and the stand was brushed metal, is this not the case?

Also does the set have fans fitted?

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Re: 2012 Panasonic Plasma HDTVs
« Reply #55 on: 23 March 2012, 01:27:52 PM »
It's hard to describe colours/tones with words :D The description you mentioned is correct.
No brushed metal on the ST50 stand - shiny silver plastic (it still looks good though).

The 42" has no fans. Perhaps Steve can tell us if the 50" does.

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on the avf review comments Steve suggested in calibrated mode light output was 90cd/m2 max, I was under the impression the samsungs topped this by some margin (120cd/m2 etc), is this not the case?
Perhaps they didn't adjust the Contrast control, which as we mentioned, has been changed on the 2012 models. We clipped out a few above-white shades to get higher panel light output. When we measured a standard size 100 IRE window in our calibrated settings, we got just above 130 cd/m2.
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Re: 2012 Panasonic Plasma HDTVs
« Reply #56 on: 23 March 2012, 04:35:41 PM »
Also you mention that side by side with the G20 (0.02cd/m2) that the ST50 at 0.009cd/m2 (approx 0.001cd/m2 difference) was "significantly darker" yet when people have suggested before that this level of difference is noticeable by eye all the experts tell us this is not the case, I don't understand
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It's actually 0.011 cd/m2 difference. I think it should be visible in a dark environment.
 

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Re: 2012 Panasonic Plasma HDTVs
« Reply #57 on: 23 March 2012, 04:37:53 PM »
It's definitely visible in a dark environment, with the two side by side. If you watch films in the dark, over time, your eyes acclimatise to the darkness and can recognise even a few nits of brightness as being different to real, pitch black.
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Re: 2012 Panasonic Plasma HDTVs
« Reply #58 on: 23 March 2012, 09:34:44 PM »
hi David, great review! Very accurate and interesting, with lots of details about the new tecnologies of the panel and it's driving... maybe your best ever  :)
I hope you will publish other reviews soon, I'm curious about new toshiba, sam & sony's models... also about the real difference between ST, GT and VT series: 2500 FFD tech and improved filter will be worth the extra money?
Hope you'll help to find the answers, as usual  ;)
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Re: 2012 Panasonic Plasma HDTVs
« Reply #59 on: 25 March 2012, 03:23:20 PM »
As promised, we've updated the TX-P42ST50 review with the world first in-depth analysis of the 3D mode - including details on Greyscale and colour calibration, as well as resolution.

Because we also found that the pre-calibrated Greyscale from the panel in 3D was quite blue-tinted - even in the True Cinema and "Warm" colour temperature modes - we mentioned in the review that we'd post our calibrated 3D settings. Of course, it won't be as good as a full 3D calibration, but very few calibrators are carrying these out:

On the UK model, there are no numbers in the menu for the basic settings (someone at Panasonic UK apparently has a case of numerophobia!) so we've had to go in "numbers of remote clicks" for those:

Quote from: 3D Calibrated Settings
HDTVtest.co.uk 3D Calibration Settings for Panasonic TX-P42ST50
Viewing Mode: True Cinema
Contrast: set to FULL and then reduce by 8 clicks
Brightness: set to ZERO and then increase by 30 clicks
Colour: set to ZERO and then increase by 24 clicks
Sharpness: 0
Vivid Colour: Off
CATS: Off
P-NR: Off

Advanced:
White Balance: -12 3 4 16 7 -25
Colour Management: -11 -5 0 14 1 0 6 0 0
Gamma: 2.4
Intelligent Frame Creation: Off
3D Refresh Rate: Auto (see the notes in our review regarding this for bright rooms)
16:9 Overscan: Off
Pixel Orbiter: Auto

Remember this won't be as good for your individual TV and glasses as a real 3D calibration would, but if you can't find anyone to do this, it's the next best thing.
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