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Toshiba 42X3030D Review
« on: 01 May 2007, 02:37:51 PM »
Would I be right in saying the the "active vision" thingummy on this bad boy is the same "100Hz" type idea as the older wlt68?

Or not?

(I ask as I am very close to getting the wlt68 mainly because of the motion benefits, but if this one does that AND is 1080p...)

Cheers
Ed
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Re: Toshiba 42x3030D
« Reply #1 on: 01 May 2007, 03:06:21 PM »
Please discuss the Toshiba 42X3030D review article here. Thank you.

@Sir Tiger...No I don't think so. They have reserved the M100 for the Z series I think.

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Re: Toshiba 42x3030D
« Reply #2 on: 05 May 2007, 08:52:27 AM »
Why oh why does the 37″ have to have a different contrast ratio?! 3500 instead of 6000. Would that mean that a lot of the points made for this review won’t count for the 37″ model, like colour reproduction and that “3D effect” that good blacks can have on a picture?

Samsung did this too with the m86 - is it a limitatiion of the size or have they decided that a smaller screen doesn't warrant decent features?!  ???
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Re: Toshiba 42x3030D
« Reply #3 on: 09 May 2007, 07:52:36 PM »
Thanks for the review !


Could you verify with JudderTest how well the Toshiba 42X3030D can handle different refresh rates, particularly 24Hz or 48Hz?

JudderTest
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=318096


Also, could you use MonInfo to read the EDID of the Toshiba 42X3030D?

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Extended display identification data (EDID) is a data structure provided by a computer display to describe its capabilities to a graphics card. It is what enables a modern personal computer to know what kind of monitor is connected. EDID is defined by a standard published by the Video Electronics Standards Association (VESA). The EDID includes manufacturer name, product type, phosphor or filter type, timings supported by the display, display size, luminance data and (for digital displays only) pixel mapping data.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_display_identification_data

MonInfo
http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/moninfo.shtm

More likely, the Toshiba 42X3030D is 1080p24 compliant. But if its EDID doesn’t include the video format 1080p24, 1080p24 capable HD-DVD / Blu-Ray players won’t transmit the 1080p24 signal to the Toshi.

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The vast majority of image quality or interoperability issues with HDMI devices are related to the software (firmware) used for device communication and content protection, and have nothing to do with the HDMI cable. In particular, these issues are often caused by the software related to HDCP handshaking, or from devices improperly handling the device capability information read through HDMI (e.g. the device has an incorrect EDID, or an inability to properly read an EDID).

http://www.hdmi.org/about/faq.asp

Thanks!
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Re: Toshiba 42x3030D
« Reply #4 on: 10 May 2007, 05:31:53 AM »
Would it be possible to verify that Toshiba 42X3030D has an audio output of 2X25W and not 2X10W as mentionned in the spec?
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Re: Toshiba 42x3030D
« Reply #5 on: 10 May 2007, 11:37:45 AM »
Quote from: philippe on 10 May 2007, 05:31:53 AM
Would it be possible to verify that Toshiba 42X3030D has an audio output of 2X25W and not 2X10W as mentionned in the spec?


The Toshiba 42X3030D specification sheet here and the owner's manual (page 32) both stated the audio to be 2 x 10 watt giving a total output of 20 watt, is there any reason you believe it to be otherwise?
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Re: Toshiba 42x3030D
« Reply #6 on: 10 May 2007, 02:52:15 PM »
Please find one website among several others that says the output is 2x25W !!
http://www.pricerunner.co.uk/pi/2-896669/TVs/Toshiba-42X3030D-Product-Info


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Re: Toshiba 42x3030D
« Reply #7 on: 10 May 2007, 03:17:28 PM »
just an other site mentioning 2x25W and which is maybe more "credible".
http://www.lcd-compare.com/televiseur-TOS42X3030D-TOSHIBA-42X3030D.htm
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Re: Toshiba 42x3030D
« Reply #8 on: 10 May 2007, 05:07:17 PM »
Thank you very much for your review! Could you please release a short guide how to calibrate the LCD properly? Especially the grey scale calibration and color calibration are very interesting, since I don´t have the hardware to calibrate it correctly by myself. And how can I reach the service menu?

I´m very happy wit the 42x3030 so far and would love to reach the best picture quality I can get. Thank you very much, keep up the great work :)

@ Pat Hou

You can find the complete MonInfo details here:

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4745625&postcount=181

 
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Re: Toshiba 42x3030D
« Reply #9 on: 10 May 2007, 08:49:30 PM »
Quote from: the  face on 10 May 2007, 05:07:17 PM
You can find the complete MonInfo details here:

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4745625&postcount=181
 

Thanks!

1920x1080p@24 not supported!!!

It’s contradictory with these claims from Toshiba.


http://www.home-entertainment.toshiba.co.uk/consumer/products.nsf/pages/lcdplasma-regzax-42x3030d?opendocument


http://www.toshiba.de/consumer/content/defaultid1_3_id2_102.aspx

Hopefully this release of EDID is bugged.

It should be nice to verify with JudderTest or some other PC software if the Toshiba 42X3030D can accept a 1080p24 signal and display it at 24Hz without judder.
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Re: Toshiba 42x3030D
« Reply #10 on: 10 May 2007, 09:48:57 PM »
Hmmm... I can´t believe that Toshiba is lying about such a important feature. Again from the avforums:

"Via PC (without needing to use Powerstrip) Nvidia 6800gt (PCI-e) DVI to HDMI lead, I have 1920x1080 as an option. I tried this and initially there is overscan, but using exact scan option (on TV) it is very very nearly 1:1 mapped (no overscan). I say nearly because as I type this some letters are not perfectly crisp. This is at 60Hz, you can also choose 50Hz (I watched some 50hz avi's, which in the most part were ok, slight ripple at one stage.......I do not have time to check a pal dvd just yet), there is also a 24Hz interlaced refreshrate.

I have now tried the 24hz interlaced input (from DVI PC), and using exact scan, with 24fps source material looks very good, no interlacing issues, when I press pause."

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4745465&postcount=180
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Re: Toshiba 42x3030D
« Reply #11 on: 11 May 2007, 07:46:14 PM »
More detail about EDID:

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Extended Display Identification Data (EDID) was created by VESA to enable plug and play capabilities of monitors. This data, which would be stored in the DTV Monitor, describes video formats that the DTV Monitor is capable of receiving and rendering.
The information is supplied to the source device, over the interface, upon the request of the source device. The source device then chooses its output format, taking into account the format of the original video stream and the formats supported by the DTV Monitor. The source device (e.g., STB) is responsible for the format conversions necessary to supply video in an understandable form to the DTV Monitor.

[A DTV Profile for Uncompressed High Speed Digital Interfaces – EIA/CEA 861]
VESA : Video Electronics Standards Association ; STB : Set Top Box ; DTV : Digital TV ; EIA : Electronic Industries Alliance ; CEA : Consumer Electronics Association

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Re: Toshiba 42x3030D
« Reply #12 on: 14 May 2007, 07:56:48 PM »
The review should be out soon.

I have contacted Toshiba about the audio and 24 fps compatibility, so I will update you guys when I have a response.

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Re: Toshiba 42x3030D
« Reply #13 on: 15 May 2007, 01:44:12 PM »
Does the 42x3030d have the Wide Color Gamut ?
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Re: Toshiba 42x3030D
« Reply #14 on: 15 May 2007, 03:45:46 PM »
Quote from: Colin on 14 May 2007, 07:56:48 PM
The review should be out soon.

I have contacted Toshiba about the audio and 24 fps compatibility, so I will update you guys when I have a response.

I´m very excited to hear that :) I hope you will release the calibration details also, especially the settings for the service menu (if there are any). Could you give me a short feedback regarding this point please?
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