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Re: Samsung E6500 Plasma Discussion Thread
« Reply #15 on: 08 June 2012, 07:27:59 AM »

Looks like E6500 is out on our market. The prices for 51" version are exact match for 50ST50. And 60E6500 is priced around 55ST50. It's very interesting, how it performs compared to ST50 with equal pricing.
If panman40 is right with ABL problems, then it seems not too good for E6500. Actually, I haven't had any problems with brigtness/gamma instability or pops on my ST50 and that's another nice improvement over 30th series.
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Re: Samsung E6500 Plasma Discussion Thread
« Reply #16 on: 08 June 2012, 08:15:57 AM »
Looks like E6500 is out on our market. The prices for 51" version are exact match for 50ST50. And 60E6500 is priced around 55ST50. It's very interesting, how it performs compared to ST50 with equal pricing.
If panman40 is right with ABL problems, then it seems not too good for E6500. Actually, I haven't had any problems with brigtness/gamma instability or pops on my ST50 and that's another nice improvement over 30th series.

At my country, I would be able to get the 51e6500 little cheaper than the 50ST50, and the Samsung comes with 2 3d-glasses. But I might be overly opportunistic when thinking that the E6500 is improved as much over the D6900 as the st50 compared to st30  ;D

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Re: Samsung E6500 Plasma Discussion Thread
« Reply #17 on: 09 June 2012, 05:59:55 AM »
SammyO, a pair of 3D-glasses is very welcome addition, but PQ still comes first. I'd like to see how E6500 holds against ST50 even more, since they priced very closely.
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Re: Samsung E6500 Plasma Discussion Thread
« Reply #18 on: 09 June 2012, 06:58:11 AM »
Looks like E6500 is out on our market. The prices for 51" version are exact match for 50ST50. And 60E6500 is priced around 55ST50. It's very interesting, how it performs compared to ST50 with equal pricing.
If panman40 is right with ABL problems, then it seems not too good for E6500. Actually, I haven't had any problems with brigtness/gamma instability or pops on my ST50 and that's another nice improvement over 30th series.

It does look like the ST50 is more improved over the ST30 than the E6500 has been over the D6900. Although it is a shame to see so many owners (on a different Forum ;D) having to get theres replaced due to these Vertical Lines and or Banding :(. I guess Quality Control maybe not 100%. It really does seem to be a Lottery when purchasing a TV these days  :o.

Going back to the Samsung E Series i think one of the biggest improvements has been 'Cinema Smooth'  :D, It looks like the Black levels are now Better with it Engaged  8)when last years D Series Blacks were indeed Worse with it Engaged . I am Sure David found this to be the case on the E8000 in the Shootout.

I actually made a Video of my Brightness Pops and David had a look, It is indeed an over sensitive ABL that is causing the Bright Scene Pops. Strangely the last couple of evenings my set seems to have calmed down regarding this issue  ???, i will keep an eye on it

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Re: Samsung E6500 Plasma Discussion Thread
« Reply #19 on: 09 June 2012, 07:36:58 PM »
Looks like E6500 is out on our market. The prices for 51" version are exact match for 50ST50. And 60E6500 is priced around 55ST50. It's very interesting, how it performs compared to ST50 with equal pricing.
If panman40 is right with ABL problems, then it seems not too good for E6500. Actually, I haven't had any problems with brigtness/gamma instability or pops on my ST50 and that's another nice improvement over 30th series.

It does look like the ST50 is more improved over the ST30 than the E6500 has been over the D6900. Although it is a shame to see so many owners (on a different Forum ;D) having to get theres replaced due to these Vertical Lines and or Banding :(. I guess Quality Control maybe not 100%. It really does seem to be a Lottery when purchasing a TV these days  :o.

Going back to the Samsung E Series i think one of the biggest improvements has been 'Cinema Smooth'  :D, It looks like the Black levels are now Better with it Engaged  8)when last years D Series Blacks were indeed Worse with it Engaged . I am Sure David found this to be the case on the E8000 in the Shootout.

I actually made a Video of my Brightness Pops and David had a look, It is indeed an over sensitive ABL that is causing the Bright Scene Pops. Strangely the last couple of evenings my set seems to have calmed down regarding this issue  ???, i will keep an eye on it

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Re: Samsung E6500 Plasma Discussion Thread
« Reply #20 on: 09 June 2012, 09:15:21 PM »
Hmm, CNET has reviewed the pn60e6500 but it doesn't show up in the normal version, just in my iPhones mobile version, weird  ;D

They said that it had almost as good black levels as st50 and the only think that it loses to e8000 is the sd picture quality.. Sounds good, can't wait for the hdtvtest review!

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+ Bright room performance is excellent
+ Good black level and excellent shadow detail
+ No brightness pops noticed in 2012 models (at least as aggressive)
- Only 3 hdmi inputs
- Only 3 modes, vivid, standard, movie (only vivid gets nearly as bright as st50, so, there is not as much pop than in Panny plasmas)
- No anti judder 100hz circuit
- 3D PQ (crosstalk and ghosting)
- Not as good SD as e8000

These according to cnet reviews (and the mobile version for iPhone) :D
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Re: Samsung E6500 Plasma Discussion Thread
« Reply #21 on: 09 June 2012, 09:31:08 PM »
CNET US or CNET UK? I can't find it either.

We're trying to get ahold of one :D
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Re: Samsung E6500 Plasma Discussion Thread
« Reply #22 on: 09 June 2012, 09:36:02 PM »
CNET US or CNET UK? I can't find it either.

We're trying to get ahold of one :D


US, so it might have some differences in it. I quickly edited pros and cons in to my previous message. Its really weird because when I send the link to my computer, it opens automatically a normal version page of e6500 where is no review..

Heres the link to picture setting used in review: http://forums.cnet.com/7723-19410_102-565093/samsung-pn60e6500-picture-settings/?messageId=5320462&tag=rb_content;contentBody
If you press the link for review from there, it doesn't work, hope they fix it soon..
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Re: Samsung E6500 Plasma Discussion Thread
« Reply #23 on: 09 June 2012, 09:45:29 PM »
Good - the UK CNET site has no meaningful data or measurements. David Katzmaier and co do a great job in the US. Look forward to it being readable on a PC!
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Re: Samsung E6500 Plasma Discussion Thread
« Reply #24 on: 09 June 2012, 10:09:13 PM »
Here is the link for the mobile version review, try it out that with your phone!

http://m.cnet.com/reviews/samusng-pn51e6500/35159639

At least for me it works (only with phone). Just select review from the top...
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Re: Samsung E6500 Plasma Discussion Thread
« Reply #25 on: 10 June 2012, 08:58:01 AM »
Here is the link for the mobile version review, try it out that with your phone!

http://m.cnet.com/reviews/samusng-pn51e6500/35159639

At least for me it works (only with phone). Just select review from the top...


Hi Sammy , thanks for the link to the 6500 reveiw :), Some very good points and some quite worrying ones too .

When i was referring to brightness Pops in my previous post i was talking about the 'Bright Scene Pops' not the Dark Scene ones which a lot of owners in the US had on the D series, Those Dark scene pops have definately been fixed on the 2012 models , Qoute from the reveiw here >



In previous years so-called brightness pops--a sudden brighteneing of blacks--were a problem with some Samsung plasmas, but only on a very limited number of movies and not a very big issue as far as I was concerened. If you're worried about it then don't be; based on my tests with similar content to the pop-prone PND7000, the E6500 doesn't suffer from this issue.


What is worrying is the mention of Ghosting and Xtalk with 3D, I have very little on my current D Series samsung and 3D is important to me. Perhaps it was a fault with that particular set or the glasses perhaps.

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Re: Samsung E6500 Plasma Discussion Thread
« Reply #26 on: 10 June 2012, 09:06:51 AM »
Looks like E6500 is out on our market. The prices for 51" version are exact match for 50ST50. And 60E6500 is priced around 55ST50. It's very interesting, how it performs compared to ST50 with equal pricing.
If panman40 is right with ABL problems, then it seems not too good for E6500. Actually, I haven't had any problems with brigtness/gamma instability or pops on my ST50 and that's another nice improvement over 30th series.

It does look like the ST50 is more improved over the ST30 than the E6500 has been over the D6900. Although it is a shame to see so many owners (on a different Forum ;D) having to get theres replaced due to these Vertical Lines and or Banding :(. I guess Quality Control maybe not 100%. It really does seem to be a Lottery when purchasing a TV these days  :o.

Going back to the Samsung E Series i think one of the biggest improvements has been 'Cinema Smooth'  :D, It looks like the Black levels are now Better with it Engaged  8)when last years D Series Blacks were indeed Worse with it Engaged . I am Sure David found this to be the case on the E8000 in the Shootout.

I actually made a Video of my Brightness Pops and David had a look, It is indeed an over sensitive ABL that is causing the Bright Scene Pops. Strangely the last couple of evenings my set seems to have calmed down regarding this issue  ???, i will keep an eye on it

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i didnt relise cinema smooth did this, will have to look at it on my set, and i dont know why samsung cant sort these pops out.

Scott here is a quote from the Cnet reveiw that Sammy posted verifiying the difference in black levels on the D Series CS On/Off  ;)>

Video processing: The TV was very good at replaying 24p content with Cinema Smooth mode enabled, with no jerkiness and none of the loss of black level fidelity exhibited by some previous Samsung plasmas. Similarly, the TV was able to handle 1080i film-based material without any moire or other judder effects.


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Re: Samsung E6500 Plasma Discussion Thread
« Reply #27 on: 10 June 2012, 09:11:26 AM »
Here's the link to published review: http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-pn60e6500/4505-6482_7-35159642.html?tag=results;prodInfo

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3D: One other area where the 6500 falls down in comparison to the 8000 is in 3D quality. There was significant cross-talk on the 6500 during our gruelling Hugo test scene which resulted in ghosting and "doubling-up" of stereo images. If you watch alot of 3D this TV isn't the one I'd go for.

That's odd... I thought D-series performed quite well with 3D. Why should E-series have difficulties?

I got Samsung 4100 3D Glasses for my ST50 yesterday, and 3D seems to be very fine without excessive artifacts. I've seen some small crosstalk and ghosting, although it was Panasonic 3D World application which streamed pretty low bitrate 3D-video on Internet. With more solid sources, such as PS3 and 3D Blu-Ray, there were very few artifacts. The only thing I can complain is low 48Hz per eye refresh rate for 3D Blu-Ray which may force user to increase the output to 100/120Hz and 50/60Hz per eye.
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Re: Samsung E6500 Plasma Discussion Thread
« Reply #28 on: 10 June 2012, 09:35:15 AM »
Here's the link to published review: http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-pn60e6500/4505-6482_7-35159642.html?tag=results;prodInfo

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3D: One other area where the 6500 falls down in comparison to the 8000 is in 3D quality. There was significant cross-talk on the 6500 during our gruelling Hugo test scene which resulted in ghosting and "doubling-up" of stereo images. If you watch alot of 3D this TV isn't the one I'd go for.

That's odd... I thought D-series performed quite well with 3D. Why should E-series have difficulties?

I got Samsung 4100 3D Glasses for my ST50 yesterday, and 3D seems to be very fine without excessive artifacts. I've seen some small crosstalk and ghosting, although it was Panasonic 3D World application which streamed pretty low bitrate 3D-video on Internet. With more solid sources, such as PS3 and 3D Blu-Ray, there were very few artifacts. The only thing I can complain is low 48Hz per eye refresh rate for 3D Blu-Ray which may force user to increase the output to 100/120Hz and 50/60Hz per eye.


Morning Misha ,
I expect you already read i have no problems with Xtalk or Ghosting on my D6900  ;), I am curious how one would change the Refresh to 50/60 hz per eye ?, Is it possible  ???,
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Re: Samsung E6500 Plasma Discussion Thread
« Reply #29 on: 10 June 2012, 09:48:44 AM »
I expect you already read i have no problems with Xtalk or Ghosting on my D6900  ;), I am curious how one would change the Refresh to 50/60 hz per eye ?, Is it possible  ???,
Hi, Martin!
It's possible to change the refresh output to [Auto], 100Hz and 120Hz on Panasonic ST50. [Auto] also gives native 48Hz for 3D Blu-Ray, but it still may be forced to 100/120Hz via pulldown and/or motion interpolation. I found that 120Hz obviously give much less flickering, but the 24p->60Hz transformation process is still bearable.
I don't know if it's possible to force 100/120Hz mode for 3D Blu-Ray on Samsung plasmas, as I don't have big experience with them.
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