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Re: Samsung E6500 Plasma Discussion Thread
« Reply #30 on: 10 June 2012, 11:00:30 AM »

I expect you already read i have no problems with Xtalk or Ghosting on my D6900  ;), I am curious how one would change the Refresh to 50/60 hz per eye ?, Is it possible  ???,
Hi, Martin!
It's possible to change the refresh output to [Auto], 100Hz and 120Hz on Panasonic ST50. [Auto] also gives native 48Hz for 3D Blu-Ray, but it still may be forced to 100/120Hz via pulldown and/or motion interpolation. I found that 120Hz obviously give much less flickering, but the 24p->60Hz transformation process is still bearable.
I don't know if it's possible to force 100/120Hz mode for 3D Blu-Ray on Samsung plasmas, as I don't have big experience with them.

Ahh OK thank you , The only setting on the Samsung is Cinema Smooth on / Off for 24 p playback, Depending on how the Motion Looks (judder) with the 3D Movie i am watching i normally leave it Off if there is no sign of Judder, If there is Judder i switch it On but that does cause a slightly odd Motion and also Panning ::), Its a bit like watching the TV through a shallow running Stream  :o. Sounds bizarre i know but it has a funny 'Watery' type look to it  ???.

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Re: Samsung E6500 Plasma Discussion Thread
« Reply #31 on: 10 June 2012, 11:25:53 AM »
do you use cinema smooth on normal films martin.
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Re: Samsung E6500 Plasma Discussion Thread
« Reply #32 on: 10 June 2012, 11:31:42 AM »
do you use cinema smooth on normal films martin.

Yup Scott, 2D Blu-Ray  :), If you are complete darkness watching a 2.35:1 movie just toggle CS On/Off whilst staring at the black Bars and you will notice they are just a smidge 'Lighter' with CS On but its not a huge deal  ;).
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Re: Samsung E6500 Plasma Discussion Thread
« Reply #33 on: 10 June 2012, 12:47:47 PM »
Hi David and folks,

My first post on the forum. Davids presentation on the shootout convinced me to join this forum.
Reading the fresh CNET E6500 review, can someone comment following measurements related to following displays  ( all numbers from CNET reviews )?

E6500
Motion resolution (max)              800   Average
Motion resolution (dejudder off)    800    Average

E8000
Motion resolution (max)            1000    Good
Motion resolution (dejudder off)    1000    Good

VT50
Motion resolution (max)            1200 Good
Motion resolution (dejudder off)    900    Good

HX850
Motion resolution (max)           1200    Good
Motion resolution (dejudder off)    320    Poor

Why has E8000 shown better motion resolution than E6500 when the panels are the same? Im a quite videophile, but is it visible to spot difference between 800 lines of motion resolution and 1000lines?

Thanks for your opinions.
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Re: Samsung E6500 Plasma Discussion Thread
« Reply #34 on: 10 June 2012, 01:41:03 PM »

Hi Sammy , thanks for the link to the 6500 reveiw :), Some very good points and some quite worrying ones too .

When i was referring to brightness Pops in my previous post i was talking about the 'Bright Scene Pops' not the Dark Scene ones which a lot of owners in the US had on the D series, Those Dark scene pops have definately been fixed on the 2012 models , Qoute from the reveiw here >



In previous years so-called brightness pops--a sudden brighteneing of blacks--were a problem with some Samsung plasmas, but only on a very limited number of movies and not a very big issue as far as I was concerened. If you're worried about it then don't be; based on my tests with similar content to the pop-prone PND7000, the E6500 doesn't suffer from this issue.


What is worrying is the mention of Ghosting and Xtalk with 3D, I have very little on my current D Series samsung and 3D is important to me. Perhaps it was a fault with that particular set or the glasses perhaps.

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Yes I know, first I didnt read the review with much concentration and when I read it again, I didnīt have enough time to edit my post because I had to leave for work  :D

My biggest concern is that they said that even with full cell light (brightness set to 40 I think) in movie mode, it is no very bright. I would not want to go the vivid mode just because of that, because its horrible in every tv I have seen  :D Also the test are made in dark room I guess, so I might not be able to use the movie mode in bright daylight, even if it has the the talked superior bright room performance.. Im kind of sure that its only a sowtfare thing though to reduce power consumption, same thing with the latest D6900 firmware (the first reviews must have been with some other firmware as its possible to get as bright as in reviews I think). That b**lshit I think, why they donīt let consumers to decide whether they want an eco tv or not, Iīm after for the best PQ  ;D

Also the 3d performance is a little of a concern, not as big thouhg as the brightness issue..

Really happy to see that it has good black levels and shadow detail!

Is the motion resolution worse than last year D6900?  :o
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Re: Samsung E6500 Plasma Discussion Thread
« Reply #35 on: 10 June 2012, 02:32:08 PM »
Why has E8000 shown better motion resolution than E6500 when the panels are the same? Im a quite videophile, but is it visible to spot difference between 800 lines of motion resolution and 1000lines?
Welcome to the forum, Pluto! ;)
I highly doubt the difference is very visible with real world material. Motion Resolution performance also differs with refresh rate, source quality and other variables. I'd say, everything with MR higher than 800 lines will give sufficient motion clarity almost in any case. So, I think it would be rather hard to distinguish one Samsung from another.
As for the cause, I think it's due to different processing and/or panel driving method. That's what can explain the different motion performance with the same panel.
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Re: Samsung E6500 Plasma Discussion Thread
« Reply #36 on: 10 June 2012, 02:35:43 PM »
Really happy to see that it has good black levels and shadow detail!
I'm glad Samsung is improved this year, too. I think both ST50 and E6500 are great performers in their class.
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Re: Samsung E6500 Plasma Discussion Thread
« Reply #37 on: 10 June 2012, 04:54:01 PM »
Why has E8000 shown better motion resolution than E6500 when the panels are the same? Im a quite videophile, but is it visible to spot difference between 800 lines of motion resolution and 1000lines?

Thanks for your opinions.
Pluto

Hi Plutotype, and welcome!

At HDTVtest, we eyeball the number from the scrolling test chart on the FPD Benchmark Disc. The equipment to actually measure this for sure is prohibitively expensive. This can be quite tricky to do at high motion resolution levels. I'd guess Cnet are doing the same, so perhaps this is just a difference between different reviewers/observers? That's my best guess.
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Re: Samsung E6500 Plasma Discussion Thread
« Reply #38 on: 10 June 2012, 05:38:50 PM »
Thank you David,

I got undeniable offer on the HX850, but as a 2D movie freak, choosing plasma should always do better in terms of PQ. As a VT30 owner, can you please compare the available datas and estimate, that E6500 would at least match blacks and whites of this model? VT30 blacks are superb, but I think it is the whites, that were not on top in 2011.

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Re: Samsung E6500 Plasma Discussion Thread
« Reply #39 on: 10 June 2012, 06:02:06 PM »
VT30 was strange, we measured some at 0.02 cd/m2 for black and the larger version at about 0.01.

I wish I could tell you what the 2012 Samsung Plasmas are like, but their UK press agency, Kazoo, hasn't sent any out yet. I'd love to check one out.
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Re: Samsung E6500 Plasma Discussion Thread
« Reply #40 on: 10 June 2012, 07:02:18 PM »
Why has E8000 shown better motion resolution than E6500 when the panels are the same? Im a quite videophile, but is it visible to spot difference between 800 lines of motion resolution and 1000lines?
Welcome to the forum, Pluto! ;)
I highly doubt the difference is very visible with real world material. Motion Resolution performance also differs with refresh rate, source quality and other variables. I'd say, everything with MR higher than 800 lines will give sufficient motion clarity almost in any case. So, I think it would be rather hard to distinguish one Samsung from another.
As for the cause, I think it's due to different processing and/or panel driving method. That's what can explain the different motion performance with the same panel.

Hello Sammy, Yes the last F/W for the D6900 Series (1019) kerbed the Luminance quite a lot. There was a Service Menu Tweak that brought back the Brightness though, Along with several other owners i did this Tweak which was labelled the 'ADC WB' tweak' .
Now if this Tweak can be carried over to the new E Series in the excat same way remains to be seen.

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Re: Samsung E6500 Plasma Discussion Thread
« Reply #41 on: 10 June 2012, 07:32:19 PM »

Hello Sammy, Yes the last F/W for the D6900 Series (1019) kerbed the Luminance quite a lot. There was a Service Menu Tweak that brought back the Brightness though, Along with several other owners i did this Tweak which was labelled the 'ADC WB' tweak' .
Now if this Tweak can be carried over to the new E Series in the excat same way remains to be seen.

 :)

Okay, thanks for the info! Can this tweak be undone, so it doesnīt affect your guarantee? Or does it always affect if you go to service menu? I have only once changed some setting there, as the samsung technician on the phone sad that I should check some setting, so not really know about how they work..

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Re: Samsung E6500 Plasma Discussion Thread
« Reply #42 on: 10 June 2012, 08:23:07 PM »

Hello Sammy, Yes the last F/W for the D6900 Series (1019) kerbed the Luminance quite a lot. There was a Service Menu Tweak that brought back the Brightness though, Along with several other owners i did this Tweak which was labelled the 'ADC WB' tweak' .
Now if this Tweak can be carried over to the new E Series in the excat same way remains to be seen.

 :)

Okay, thanks for the info! Can this tweak be undone, so it doesnīt affect your guarantee? Or does it always affect if you go to service menu? I have only once changed some setting there, as the samsung technician on the phone sad that I should check some setting, so not really know about how they work..
Yes mate it can be undone, at least in the D6900 service menu. I think it can be traced after you have been into the SM but its not very likely. I have only been in there once as one wrong move and you can do irrepairable damage but I am sure you already know that  :)
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« Reply #43 on: 10 June 2012, 09:06:40 PM »
Yes I know, but I think that Iīm little more confident of buying the e6500 if I know that theres something that can be done if itīs not bright enough.. But I would not want to ruin my new tv and lose its guarantee :D

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« Reply #44 on: 10 June 2012, 09:09:28 PM »
VT30 was strange, we measured some at 0.02 cd/m2 for black and the larger version at about 0.01.

I wish I could tell you what the 2012 Samsung Plasmas are like, but their UK press agency, Kazoo, hasn't sent any out yet. I'd love to check one out.


Canīt understand why they donīt hand out one to be reviewed  :o Do they really think that it would harm theyīre lcd-led sales or what?

E: Saw the new 8-series HX sony today, quite impressed with it as I had little time to play around(settings etc) with it. Really close to hitting the buy button for e6500 because of the cnet review where it was ranked right on par with the Sony. In my country the 55" sony is about 1000€ (800 pounds) more than the 51" Samsung. So, it is really good value for your money IMO!

E2: Still having the patience to wait for other reviews (especially hdtvtestīs) and not pushing the button yet  :)
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