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2013 Panasonic Plasma
« on: 22 February 2013, 02:20:24 PM »

What do people make of the early prices for the P42ST60B and P50ST60B? At 900 and 1100 I'm finding them a little disappointing. Wish that I'd bought the P42GT50B when John Lewis were throwing in a free Blu-Ray player.

http://www.tps.uk.com/tps/home.html?product_id=1543&product_group_id=232&choice_id=186&tab_id=52&page_name=product

http://www.tps.uk.com/tps/home.html?product_id=1544&product_group_id=232&choice_id=186&tab_id=52&page_name=product

http://www.hispek.com/panasonic/plasma-televisions/panasonic-txp42st60b-42-neo-plasma-full-hd-3d-smart-viera-television-pd-15135.php

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Re: 2013 Panasonic Plasma
« Reply #1 on: 22 February 2013, 02:53:05 PM »
ST60 in Europe is 99.99% rebranded ST50.

Dumping prices + new case + new software.

Buy either the 42" or 50" GT60 if you want a good TV.

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Re: 2013 Panasonic Plasma
« Reply #2 on: 22 February 2013, 03:03:56 PM »
i see in your links the prices for GT60:

Panasonic TX-P50GT60B 50-inch 3D Plasma TV Pre-Order 1400
Panasonic TX-P42GT60B 42-inch 3D Plasma TV Pre-Order 1200

I made an estimation before seeing the prices of :

Panasonic TX-P42GT60E :  1200
Panasonic TX-P50GT60E : 1500

Very expensive if they sell it for that much.

B vs E any difference ?

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Re: 2013 Panasonic Plasma
« Reply #3 on: 22 February 2013, 04:56:56 PM »
ST60 in Europe is 99.99% rebranded ST50.

Dumping prices + new case + new software.

Buy either the 42" or 50" GT60 if you want a good TV.
Please refrain from making judgments about unreleased products.

Even if the ST60 is a rebranded ST50, the ST50 is an excellent HDTV.
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Re: 2013 Panasonic Plasma
« Reply #4 on: 22 February 2013, 05:29:43 PM »
Imho the st50 it's the best bang for bucks

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Re: 2013 Panasonic Plasma
« Reply #5 on: 22 February 2013, 06:01:29 PM »
And even in the top tier if we talk about quality, regardless of the price.  :) The contrast performance is amazing!
Panasonic TX-P42ST50, Denon 2312, Boston Acoustics A25, Panasonic DMP-BDT220

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Re: 2013 Panasonic Plasma
« Reply #6 on: 22 February 2013, 06:04:06 PM »
ST50 at 550 for the 42" and 750 for the 50" yes, excellent value. But not for more. They don't worth more since they are sold at a profit at those prices in eastern Europe.

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Re: 2013 Panasonic Plasma
« Reply #7 on: 22 February 2013, 06:08:06 PM »
Cheaper prices in other regions is hard to swallow, yes.

But even with that info, I wouldn't personally try to import a Panasonic Plasma from Romania even when the savings would be hundreds of pounds.

The insurance needed to courier the TV from there would probably bring the price close to the Western European price anyway. And you would want that... as someone who reviews Plasmas, I've seen a decent number of them arrive here internally shattered, and that's just shipping them within the UK!

Then you'd have to hope there are no issues that would make you swap the TV out (I exchanged my first ST50 for a stuck pixel).

BTW, I believe in a free market totally. I do import a lot of stuff and love having the ability to do so... but for a Plasma TV, it's kind of impractical, even when the broadcast and power standards aren't an issue.
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Re: 2013 Panasonic Plasma
« Reply #8 on: 22 February 2013, 06:13:23 PM »
ST60 in Europe is 99.99% rebranded ST50.

Dumping prices + new case + new software.

Buy either the 42" or 50" GT60 if you want a good TV.
Please refrain from making judgments about unreleased products.

Even if the ST60 is a rebranded ST50, the ST50 is an excellent HDTV.

David, since Solar did not answer my question: at the convention, did you get any hint that points to the European ST60 being a rebranded ST50?

Or do you think the EU ST60 be a new model in its own right (I mean... as much "new" as the US ST60 is a new model, and the VT60 is too), which together with the EU GT60 is positioned around the US ST60? Based on the data available on the Panasonic website I suspect the latter, but of course there is not much info there. But you are closer to the fire than most of us so you might know more.
« Last Edit: 22 February 2013, 06:16:46 PM by dutchflea »

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Re: 2013 Panasonic Plasma
« Reply #9 on: 22 February 2013, 06:16:47 PM »
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David, since Solar did not answer my question: at the convention, did you get any hint that points to the European ST60 being a rebranded ST50?
No, nothing to suggest that specifically.

Even if the ST60 is a rebranded ST50, that honestly isn't anything new. Two generations of TVs often do share the same panels (it's cheaper) with tweaks to the driving software. I don't really care what's inside the TV, it just has to perform well. Not every part of it needs to be brand new.

There's always a "waterfall effect" anyway. Panel technology that was once high end filters down to the lower ranges. What's new?

My understanding is that in terms of "premium"-ness, in order: Euro ST60, American ST60, Euro GT60.

Or to put it differently, in Europe there are two ranges at opposite ends, whereas America gets one roughly in the middle.

Of course we'll need to wait and see how they perform on the bench. That's what counts.
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Re: 2013 Panasonic Plasma
« Reply #10 on: 22 February 2013, 07:29:24 PM »
ST60 in Europe is 99.99% rebranded ST50.

Dumping prices + new case + new software.

Buy either the 42" or 50" GT60 if you want a good TV.
Please refrain from making judgments about unreleased products.

Even if the ST60 is a rebranded ST50, the ST50 is an excellent HDTV.

David, since Solar did not answer my question: at the convention, did you get any hint that points to the European ST60 being a rebranded ST50?

Or do you think the EU ST60 be a new model in its own right (I mean... as much "new" as the US ST60 is a new model, and the VT60 is too), which together with the EU GT60 is positioned around the US ST60? Based on the data available on the Panasonic website I suspect the latter, but of course there is not much info there. But you are closer to the fire than most of us so you might know more.

I did answer. ST60 is ST50. Not telling people that is simply Panasonic not caring about the mindless consumers.

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Re: 2013 Panasonic Plasma
« Reply #11 on: 22 February 2013, 08:12:53 PM »
I would quite happily have the ST50 or ST60 as the performence of last years ST50 was unmatched in that price range.

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Re: 2013 Panasonic Plasma
« Reply #12 on: 22 February 2013, 08:34:14 PM »
You do seem to have a bit of an axe to grind with Panasonic, Solar...
Re-purposing components in the CE industry is nothing new.
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Re: 2013 Panasonic Plasma
« Reply #13 on: 23 February 2013, 07:59:32 AM »
Here are the Specs for the North American version, courtesy of Value Electronics:

http://tc-p65zt60.com/uploads/Panasonic_ZT60_data_sheet.pdf

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« Reply #14 on: 23 February 2013, 02:42:13 PM »
You do seem to have a bit of an axe to grind with Panasonic, Solar...
Re-purposing components in the CE industry is nothing new.

Indeed.