Author Topic:

2014 Line Up From LG

 (Read 56834 times)

Offline David Mackenzie

  • Global Moderator
  • Calibrated
  • *****
  • Thank You
  • -Gave: 908
  • -Received: 2043
  • Posts: 3561
    • View Profile
    • Personal web site
Re: 2014 Line Up From LG
« Reply #30 on: 23 July 2014, 10:57:22 PM »

Quote
Does it smear the film grain away? Does it cost high frequencie detail?
It makes the film grain 'powdery' but is not enough to totally bulldoze it.
By its definition, yes, it will cost you high frequency detail in motion. So, depending on the lighting of the shoot, actor's stubble might get blurred away as they move their heads, for example.

This is going off the most recent "Gallery" OLED, BTW.
HDTVTest.co.uk Reviewer & US Correspondent
--
Please don't send me the same question through multiple methods (email/forum/PM) since I can't respond 3 separate times. Please post on the forums or use private messages for messages that need privacy. Thanks!

These member(s) thanked your post:


Offline MarcWessels

  • Calibrated
  • *****
  • Thank You
  • -Gave: 173
  • -Received: 58
  • Posts: 209
    • View Profile
Re: 2014 Line Up From LG
« Reply #31 on: 23 July 2014, 11:06:06 PM »
Thanks, David!  8)

LG is so dumb to do such a thing, though!  :( "Hey, you know what?! Lets make an OLED-TV and hinder its PQ by adding DNR, shall we?"  :no:

Offline David Mackenzie

  • Global Moderator
  • Calibrated
  • *****
  • Thank You
  • -Gave: 908
  • -Received: 2043
  • Posts: 3561
    • View Profile
    • Personal web site
Re: 2014 Line Up From LG
« Reply #32 on: 24 July 2014, 12:55:15 AM »
Yup! They don't seem interested in changing it either. Hopefully their next range of OLEDs can show an intact video signal.
HDTVTest.co.uk Reviewer & US Correspondent
--
Please don't send me the same question through multiple methods (email/forum/PM) since I can't respond 3 separate times. Please post on the forums or use private messages for messages that need privacy. Thanks!

Offline FoxHounder

  • Global Moderator
  • Calibrated
  • *****
  • Thank You
  • -Gave: 704
  • -Received: 985
  • Posts: 1643
    • View Profile
Re: 2014 Line Up From LG
« Reply #33 on: 11 August 2014, 02:58:43 PM »
Video: Panasonic TX-PR55VT60 + Pioneer BDP-140
Audio: Onkyo TX-NR626 + Boston Acoustics CS260 II 5.1

Offline David Mackenzie

  • Global Moderator
  • Calibrated
  • *****
  • Thank You
  • -Gave: 908
  • -Received: 2043
  • Posts: 3561
    • View Profile
    • Personal web site
Re: 2014 Line Up From LG
« Reply #34 on: 11 August 2014, 04:36:59 PM »
Unbelievably good news.

Now they just have to get the product right.
HDTVTest.co.uk Reviewer & US Correspondent
--
Please don't send me the same question through multiple methods (email/forum/PM) since I can't respond 3 separate times. Please post on the forums or use private messages for messages that need privacy. Thanks!

Offline Adlermann

  • Calibrated
  • *****
  • Thank You
  • -Gave: 48
  • -Received: 134
  • Posts: 406
    • View Profile
Re: 2014 Line Up From LG
« Reply #35 on: 12 August 2014, 10:10:09 AM »
Seems that my vt60 will get an upgrade in a year or two lol.

panasonic tx-p55vt60 | Panasonic DBT 360 | Mac Mini 2011 base model | Denon 1911 AVR | Wharfedale diamond 10.5, CM, 10.1 | Playstation 4 | Super Nintentdo Entertainment System | Beer

Offline FoxHounder

  • Global Moderator
  • Calibrated
  • *****
  • Thank You
  • -Gave: 704
  • -Received: 985
  • Posts: 1643
    • View Profile
Re: 2014 Line Up From LG
« Reply #36 on: 12 August 2014, 10:47:28 AM »
Seems that my vt60 will get an upgrade in a year or two lol.
Who knows, maybe you're right! At this rate we'll definitely see something interesting in about 2 years.
Anyway, going from $15000 down to $3500 is a good sign for technology.
Video: Panasonic TX-PR55VT60 + Pioneer BDP-140
Audio: Onkyo TX-NR626 + Boston Acoustics CS260 II 5.1

Offline MarcWessels

  • Calibrated
  • *****
  • Thank You
  • -Gave: 173
  • -Received: 58
  • Posts: 209
    • View Profile
Re: 2014 Line Up From LG
« Reply #37 on: 14 August 2014, 05:00:31 AM »
Unbelievably good news.

Now they just have to get the product right.
When will you have the 55EC9300 and the 65EC9700 in the house?  8)

Offline David Mackenzie

  • Global Moderator
  • Calibrated
  • *****
  • Thank You
  • -Gave: 908
  • -Received: 2043
  • Posts: 3561
    • View Profile
    • Personal web site
Re: 2014 Line Up From LG
« Reply #38 on: 14 August 2014, 02:07:17 PM »
I have one in front of me here at Value Electronics, Dewayne and I have been looking at it.

You are watching the shootout, right?
HDTVTest.co.uk Reviewer & US Correspondent
--
Please don't send me the same question through multiple methods (email/forum/PM) since I can't respond 3 separate times. Please post on the forums or use private messages for messages that need privacy. Thanks!

Offline MarcWessels

  • Calibrated
  • *****
  • Thank You
  • -Gave: 173
  • -Received: 58
  • Posts: 209
    • View Profile
Re: 2014 Line Up From LG
« Reply #39 on: 14 August 2014, 11:40:46 PM »
Ahhh! The 55EC9300? Yes, of course I won't miss the shootout!  :clap:

Offline MarcWessels

  • Calibrated
  • *****
  • Thank You
  • -Gave: 173
  • -Received: 58
  • Posts: 209
    • View Profile
Re: 2014 Line Up From LG
« Reply #40 on: 17 August 2014, 05:44:52 AM »
Oh boy, what a disappointment. So the new 55EC9300 still has undefeatable DNR!  >:( And it still has crappy motion resolution (no BFI) and problems with its backplane. I bet, the input lag is still the same too. The "only" thing, LG has improved, is the light output and power consumption. Oh boy...  :no:

Offline MarcWessels

  • Calibrated
  • *****
  • Thank You
  • -Gave: 173
  • -Received: 58
  • Posts: 209
    • View Profile
Re: 2014 Line Up From LG
« Reply #41 on: 18 August 2014, 02:11:01 AM »
Important: Did D-Nice really said about a full field of white only 13 ftl??! That would be 44 cd/m2 versus the 82 cd/m2 from last year's model!  ??? Or did he say 30 ftl (101 cd/m2)?

P.S.: David, did you measure the input lag of the 55EC9300?


EDIT: Just checked the calibration charts. Uhm, the awful Gammatracking of the 55EC9300 can only be a bad joke, right??!  :o :bash:
« Last Edit: 18 August 2014, 05:46:51 AM by MarcWessels »

Offline David Mackenzie

  • Global Moderator
  • Calibrated
  • *****
  • Thank You
  • -Gave: 908
  • -Received: 2043
  • Posts: 3561
    • View Profile
    • Personal web site
Re: 2014 Line Up From LG
« Reply #42 on: 18 August 2014, 08:08:45 AM »
No chance to measure lag, sorry. This year's event was unbelievably hectic owed to issues getting 2160p content through the distribution system (Robert's store being on the bleeding edge isn't easy).

There was no way to clean up gamma tracking, nor was there any way to defeat the spatial NR. Although I could still recommend the new LG OLED thanks to its excellent contrast performance and aggressive price, I would reject it for use as my own display.

The good news is that thanks to this shootout, I think this will be the last year you see the NR problem on LG OLED displays. IMO they shot themselves in the foot with this.
HDTVTest.co.uk Reviewer & US Correspondent
--
Please don't send me the same question through multiple methods (email/forum/PM) since I can't respond 3 separate times. Please post on the forums or use private messages for messages that need privacy. Thanks!

Offline MarcWessels

  • Calibrated
  • *****
  • Thank You
  • -Gave: 173
  • -Received: 58
  • Posts: 209
    • View Profile
Re: 2014 Line Up From LG
« Reply #43 on: 18 August 2014, 12:16:14 PM »
Thanks David for all your work with this year's HDTV Shootout, I enjoyed both presentation days.  :clap:

I keep my fingers crossed for the 65EC9700! Maybe this thing won't be plagued by any kind of DNR and hopefully will have ruler flat gamma and no problems with color tracking (speaking of the car in the movie with Adam Sandler).  ::)

Offline MarcWessels

  • Calibrated
  • *****
  • Thank You
  • -Gave: 173
  • -Received: 58
  • Posts: 209
    • View Profile
Re: 2014 Line Up From LG
« Reply #44 on: 18 August 2014, 04:41:41 PM »
Important: Did D-Nice really said about a full field of white only 13 ftl??! That would be 44 cd/m2 versus the 82 cd/m2 from last year's model!  ??? Or did he say 30 ftl (101 cd/m2)?
I just read, that users of the 980W got over 104 cd/m2 with a full field white pattern using the latest firmware. Cinemascope white pattern got up to 135 cd/m2.  :o