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40" Best For Picture Quality ~700
« on: 24 November 2014, 10:14:16 PM »

I'm looking to buy my first TV for about 5 years and want to spend up to 700.

Due to having a smallish living room, I only need a 40"set.

My main requirement is the best picture quality at this price range. I don't need much in the way of smart features because my inputs are predominantly hd content from a tivo box and blu ray player.

I'm taken by the 4k panasonic ax630, but having viewed it at John Lewis I'm not so sure. Plus the assistant was very unhelpful, no 4k demos, no ability to show me 4k upscaling blu ray.

I'm hoping someone on this forum can help me out before the wife throws me out for going on and on about Tvs and not choosing one. o_O

Thanks

Ian

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Re: 40" Best For Picture Quality ~700
« Reply #1 on: 25 November 2014, 09:10:16 AM »
4K at 40" is not critical at all, you won't see the advantages anyway.
I'd recommend you to check out these models:
Samsung UE40H6400 (similar review)
Sony KDL-40W605B (review)

Also I wouldn't throw a lot of money out on 40" LCD, since they are pretty similar. You won't get any advantages in PQ paying extra for the same (or similar) VA LCD panel equipped with more additional features. The mid-range Sony or Samsung will do just fine.
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Re: 40" Best For Picture Quality ~700
« Reply #2 on: 25 November 2014, 08:17:53 PM »
Thanks,  appreciate the feedback. Id still like to spend a little more for a high end 40". How does the ax630 compare in terms of 2k vs your recommendations?

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Re: 40" Best For Picture Quality ~700
« Reply #3 on: 25 November 2014, 09:05:26 PM »
Hi

Welcome to the forum.

The reason no one is showing any 4K demo on the Panasonic AX630 is because it doesn't have any inbuilt HEVC decoder, so you can't insert an SD card/ HDD drive with 4K videos and expect them to play. You'll need an external HEVC-decoded 4K source, which is very rare.

Aside from the lack of 4K content (the AX630 doesn't even do Netflix 4K), 4K resolution on a 40-inch is very much debatable vs 1080p anyway.

I'm with FoxHounder, save your money and just go with one of Samsung 40H6400, Sony 40W605 or Panasonic 40AS640. Since you're probably not going to calibrate, I think the Sony 40W605 is the standout choice with its quite good out-of-the-box settings in [Cinema] mode.

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Re: 40" Best For Picture Quality ~700
« Reply #4 on: 26 November 2014, 09:41:59 AM »
This calulator may help to evaluate if there'll be any advantage of 4K over Full HD at given screen size and viewing distance:
http://referencehometheater.com/2013/commentary/4k-calculator/
I'd say, 40" is just too small to show any benefits, unless you sit very closely...
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Re: 40" Best For Picture Quality ~700
« Reply #5 on: 26 November 2014, 05:35:40 PM »
Thanks both for your help. I really appreciate the advice . It seems I won't get any better 1080 pq from the ax630 vs as640. As a panasonic fan I'll probably go with that. How do I go about calibrating? ,  I'm sure I need to search the forums,  but just out of interest.

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Re: 40" Best For Picture Quality ~700
« Reply #6 on: 26 November 2014, 10:16:09 PM »
Unfortunately calibration is more than just copying some settings off the internet:

http://forums.hdtvtest.co.uk/index.php?topic=7202.0

You can either learn to do it yourself or hire a professional. Alternatively, get the Sony KDL40W605 which has reasonably accurate out-of-the-box settings once you switch [Scene Select] to "Cinema".

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Re: 40" Best For Picture Quality ~700
« Reply #7 on: 28 November 2014, 11:39:28 PM »
Unfortunately calibration is more than just copying some settings off the internet:

http://forums.hdtvtest.co.uk/index.php?topic=7202.0

You can either learn to do it yourself or hire a professional. Alternatively, get the Sony KDL40W605 which has reasonably accurate out-of-the-box settings once you switch [Scene Select] to "Cinema".

Warmest regards
Vincent


If you try a couple of different calibration settings wouldn't you manage in the end to get the right one ? There are a fixed number of panel variations.

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Re: 40" Best For Picture Quality ~700
« Reply #8 on: 29 November 2014, 06:37:53 AM »
Unlikely seeing as they all age differently.
And to know it was the right one, you'd need to measure it.
And if you can measure it, you may as well calibrate it properly.
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Re: 40" Best For Picture Quality ~700
« Reply #9 on: 29 November 2014, 09:31:53 AM »
If you try a couple of different calibration settings wouldn't you manage in the end to get the right one ? There are a fixed number of panel variations.
There's no such thing as two 100% same panels, and the backlight plays a big role in LCD color temp, etc.
So, copying others' settings is a big game with random numbers.
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Re: 40" Best For Picture Quality ~700
« Reply #10 on: 24 December 2014, 09:16:01 PM »
Hi all, I bought the as640, but am not happy with the picture. There is  lots of background noise on darker colours not just darker scenes. I've tried tweaking the settings,back light lowered etc   No joy. Does anyone have any recommendations or or should I take it back? Thanks in Advance...

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Re: 40" Best For Picture Quality ~700
« Reply #11 on: 25 December 2014, 03:49:29 PM »
Hi all, I bought the as640, but am not happy with the picture. There is  lots of background noise on darker colours not just darker scenes. I've tried tweaking the settings,back light lowered etc   No joy. Does anyone have any recommendations or or should I take it back? Thanks in Advance...

Take that crap panasonic back.

Can't you read the reviews.

The Sony is 2 times faster than the Panasonic model and has best calibration settings by default.

Send it back and wait for 2015 models. Buy a quantum dot panel next year.

Otherwise you will be disappointment.

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Re: 40" Best For Picture Quality ~700
« Reply #12 on: 25 December 2014, 04:09:48 PM »
Hi all, I bought the as640, but am not happy with the picture. There is  lots of background noise on darker colours not just darker scenes. I've tried tweaking the settings,back light lowered etc   No joy. Does anyone have any recommendations or or should I take it back? Thanks in Advance...

Are you sure this noise is not inherent to the source (noisy transfer, etc.)?
It doesn't sound right to me, there should be no problems with that.

Otherwise you will be disappointment.

« Last Edit: 25 December 2014, 04:12:13 PM by FoxHounder »
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Re: 40" Best For Picture Quality ~700
« Reply #13 on: 30 December 2014, 10:06:56 PM »
Thanks for the response. I've been running the TV for about a week now to see if it improved. There's just a grainy quality to the picture that I can't overlook. I've tried my tivo box and blu ray player, plus Netflix and Amazon prime. I'm watching now, there is a darker patch on the corner and noise is considerable. However following extensive viewing this noise  is visible, if looked for, throughout the picture. I'm sure this isn't right even for this price point. Has anyone else experienced this issue? Should I try for a replacement?

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Re: 40" Best For Picture Quality ~700
« Reply #14 on: 30 December 2014, 10:33:48 PM »
Sorry to hear about the graininess. What [Viewing Mode] and [Sharpness] setting are you using?

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