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Sony KDL42W8 vs Samsung UE40H6700
« on: 25 November 2014, 12:35:07 PM »

Hi there,

I've been looking to get a new mid range 1080p TV for my front room, to replace an ageing 720p 32" Philips. I think it's between these 2 sets (Sony KDL42W8 and Samsung UE40H6700) after doing some research. Which do you think is better? If you think there's a better TV for my budget than either of the ones above, please suggest (UK markets only) :) My budget is no more than 700 and max screen size 48" (Also considering the Samsung UE48H6700). I've heard there are lip sync issues with the Samsung UE40/48H6700, but can be fixed by a recent firmware update? With the Sony KDL42W8 I've heard it take a good 10-20 seconds after you turn it on before the picture comes up? Or change channel? Wondering if anyone can comment on those, just out of interest.

Thanks!
Chippy

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Re: Sony KDL42W8 vs Samsung UE40H6700
« Reply #1 on: 25 November 2014, 01:39:38 PM »
With the Sony KDL42W8 I've heard it take a good 10-20 seconds after you turn it on before the picture comes up? Or change channel? Wondering if anyone can comment on those, just out of interest.
Hi, Chippy!
The picture comes up pretty fast, but the remote starts to respond after ~15 seconds.
It's not that annoying as it sounds, I found that Sony W8 startup sequence wasn't too different from other TV sets.
If you have the needed space it would be good to go for 48". I'd recommend to have a look either at Samsung UE48H6400 or Sony KDL-48W605B.
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Re: Sony KDL42W8 vs Samsung UE40H6700
« Reply #2 on: 25 November 2014, 02:42:10 PM »
Hi Fox,

Thanks for the suggestions :) think it's between the Sony W8 and the W6. At John Lewis you can get the W8 with a free Sony HT-CT60BT Bluetooth Sound Bar for 549. The W6 is also priced at 549 but no sound bar. Which do you reckon is the best deal? Will the extra 6 inches make a massive difference? Or will the better specced W8 and free sound bar be best?

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Chippy 

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Re: Sony KDL42W8 vs Samsung UE40H6700
« Reply #3 on: 25 November 2014, 03:05:37 PM »
I'd say extra 6 inches are quite valuable if we talk about 42" vs 48". It will give better immersion for everything you'll be watching. W8 is better specced, but it's not that different from W6 with decent SD/HD sources. The main difference of W8 is 3D support  (which is rather bad, I must say) and motion interpolation feature. Their value depends on your personal preferences in watching.
Do you have a dedicated audio system? If not, then a free soundbar will be handy, since all ultra-thin TVs sound as thin as they look, unfortunately. :lol:
I'm pretty sure you can't go wrong with such deals. I think an extra soundbar may really sweeten the Sony W8 with better sound, so it would be a nice choice in overall value.
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Re: Sony KDL42W8 vs Samsung UE40H6700
« Reply #4 on: 25 November 2014, 03:27:58 PM »
 ;D Thanks Fox, still a fairly tough decision! Think I'm swaying to the W8 because of the free sound bar. I might make some cardboard cut outs to see how well the W8 and W6 will fit. Will post some pics in the next few days and see what you think :lol:

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Re: Sony KDL42W8 vs Samsung UE40H6700
« Reply #5 on: 25 November 2014, 05:45:00 PM »
;D Thanks Fox, still a fairly tough decision! Think I'm swaying to the W8 because of the free sound bar. I might make some cardboard cut outs to see how well the W8 and W6 will fit. Will post some pics in the next few days and see what you think :lol:

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First of all there is nothing free.
Bigger is always better. 48" huge difference vs 42" : 30.61% larger area !
http://www.displaywars.com/42-inch-16x9-vs-48-inch-16x9



If the 3D is bad on the W8 why bother buying bad implementation of the technology ? Either buy good implementation or buy nothing.

Samsung lip sync issues are shameful and to me it is a big NO.

My advice ? Buy a 2015 model with quantum dot film and Rec. 2020 color space (with true 10 bit panel).
Why buy now a TV and for the next 25 years have an incompatible TV with the new color space ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rec._2020

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/10/samsung_slams_door_on_oled_tvs_goes_to_quantum_dot_next/
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Re: Sony KDL42W8 vs Samsung UE40H6700
« Reply #6 on: 26 November 2014, 09:57:56 AM »
Hi Xerox,

First of all won't those TV's be ridiculously expensive? Second I know the sound bar ins't 'free' as you have to pay the 549 to get it with the TV.

So fancy giving me the extra money to buy a 2015 model with quantum dot film and Rec. 2020 color space (with true 10 bit panel)? I very much doubt it.

Chippy

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Re: Sony KDL42W8 vs Samsung UE40H6700
« Reply #7 on: 26 November 2014, 10:21:37 AM »
Hi Xerox,

First of all won't those TV's be ridiculously expensive? Second I know the sound bar ins't 'free' as you have to pay the 549 to get it with the TV.

So fancy giving me the extra money to buy a 2015 model with quantum dot film and Rec. 2020 color space (with true 10 bit panel)? I very much doubt it.

Chippy
I'm pretty sure you won't see any of that features on TVs below 1500. Not to mention that all of them are part of 4K standard.
This is just highly unrealistic. It'll take years before we'll see wide Rec.2020 adoption on video sources. All of the current materials are mastered in Rec.709, there simply is not anything to watch in Rec.2020. Why would you care about something that currently exists on paper, if you wanna buy the TV right now?
And I doubt that you're willing to stick with the same TV for 25 years, because the standards are constantly changing. Even if you buy high-end stuff next year, it'll become obsolete in 2020.

I don't see any reason why buying a decent Sony TV right now is a "bad" decision. :chin:
You don't have to sit and wait forever. The real "future-proof" TVs will hit the market when Ultra HD is finally adopted everywhere. Right now it's a total mess between different standards and sources.
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Re: Sony KDL42W8 vs Samsung UE40H6700
« Reply #8 on: 26 November 2014, 10:33:33 AM »
Exactly, plus I wouldn't be buying the W8 for the 3D. I'm not in the slightest bothered about 3D.

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Re: Sony KDL42W8 vs Samsung UE40H6700
« Reply #9 on: 26 November 2014, 01:43:13 PM »
Hi Xerox,

First of all won't those TV's be ridiculously expensive? Second I know the sound bar ins't 'free' as you have to pay the 549 to get it with the TV.

So fancy giving me the extra money to buy a 2015 model with quantum dot film and Rec. 2020 color space (with true 10 bit panel)? I very much doubt it.

Chippy


http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1416999958

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So of around 250 million sold tvs, 10 million are Ultra HD Tvs. 4%. This seems not to be a tv business game changer. Not at all.


Rec 2020 color space is coming for both 1080p and 2160p panels. Europe demands enhanced 1080p not 4K. Quantum dot film for 1080p will replace existing 1080p prices. I doubt there will be TVs from Samsung without quantum dot next year. Even 5 series will get it.

Rec. 709 = 1990
Rec. 2020 = 2015

Do the math (25 years).
It's your money so don't cry when you see the next year models while you hug a W8.

More clear lineup next year from Sony : http://forums.hdtvtest.co.uk/index.php?topic=9306.0
« Last Edit: 26 November 2014, 09:25:32 PM by Xerox »

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Re: Sony KDL42W8 vs Samsung UE40H6700
« Reply #10 on: 26 November 2014, 04:23:46 PM »
Really? Low-end 5-series with quantum dots - do you even believe that with such company as Samsung?
You just don't understand how marketing works. They won't put a high-end feature on all the sets in just 1 year, that's the most unprobable turn of events.
There aren't a single source of "enhanced 1080p", this is just a feature in works, god knows when it'll be widely available at homes. While standard 1080p is literally everywhere, and Sony W8 does a damn fine job of displaying it.

You're giving people a disservice with such advices. There won't be anything cheap with Rec. 2020 and there is not a single piece of content right now. It will be rolled out in years to come. Chippy may happily watch a really good Sony W8, and then swap it for someting fully UHD/Rec.2020-compliant when it is finally launched everywhere. That would be a nice decision, not waiting for a quantum miracle to happen.
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Re: Sony KDL42W8 vs Samsung UE40H6700
« Reply #11 on: 26 November 2014, 06:59:25 PM »
Really? Low-end 5-series with quantum dots - do you even believe that with such company as Samsung?
You just don't understand how marketing works. They won't put a high-end feature on all the sets in just 1 year, that's the most unprobable turn of events.
There aren't a single source of "enhanced 1080p", this is just a feature in works, god knows when it'll be widely available at homes. While standard 1080p is literally everywhere, and Sony W8 does a damn fine job of displaying it.

You're giving people a disservice with such advices. There won't be anything cheap with Rec. 2020 and there is not a single piece of content right now. It will be rolled out in years to come. Chippy may happily watch a really good Sony W8, and then swap it for someting fully UHD/Rec.2020-compliant when it is finally launched everywhere. That would be a nice decision, not waiting for a quantum miracle to happen.


Your point of view is correct. All of it.

Samsung next year won't have an OLED TV, so they will compete in LCD by giving most sets quantum dots. LG said they will do the same and so there will be intense fighting.

My speculation :
series 5 = this year 6 series (Chinese chips) with or without quantum dot.
series 6 = this year 7 series (Samsung chips) with quantum dot.
series 7 = 4k quantum dot
series 8 = 4k quantum dot + FALD
series 9 = curved crap

Starting from 7 series and up this year Samsung used its own hardware. Less than Samsung H7000 i wouldn't buy since i would really need the excellent scaling from sd to hd.

Just follow the implementation news :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rec._2020#Implementations

If content makers want they can now film with the new color space.

On September 4, 2014, Canon Inc. announced that with a firmware upgrade they will add support for the Rec. 2020 color space to their EOS C500 and EOS C500 PL camera models and their DP-V3010 4K display.

What you are saying is buy now a W8 and in the near future buy another TV with 4k rec 2020 + more.

Why buy two TVs when he can buy 1 that will be good enough for a longer time.

The only question is how much expensive will the 10 bit true panel be compared to 8 bit that we have now.

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Re: Sony KDL42W8 vs Samsung UE40H6700
« Reply #12 on: 26 November 2014, 09:00:05 PM »
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Rec 2020 color space is coming for both 1080p and 2180p panels.
That's interesting, what is your source? How do you claim to know this?
It's 2160p, BTW.

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Re: Sony KDL42W8 vs Samsung UE40H6700
« Reply #13 on: 26 November 2014, 09:42:52 PM »
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Rec 2020 color space is coming for both 1080p and 2180p panels.
That's interesting, what is your source? How do you claim to know this?
It's 2160p, BTW.

Top secret intuition.

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So of around 250 million sold tvs, 10 million are Ultra HD Tvs. 4%. This seems not to be a tv business game changer. Not at all.

All technologies that went into top end 4k models went also into top end 1080p models in 2014. For mid range 4k same as mid-range 1080p. Of course some differences exist but overall 1080p benefited more from specific interpolation bonuses that were absent on 4k.

Since 4% of TV sold in 2014 will be 2160p that leaves a market of 96% for 1080p. And you start from here when you make the production for next year.

If you know this as a company are you going to put Quantum Dot only for 4% of the market and get killed by your rival LG that will put a Quantum Dot film in all models including OLED ? NO ! You put Quantum Dot film from mid range to top range on 1080p. You only exclude low end. But wait since you don't have OLED TVs to compete with LG you put a Quantum Dot Film in low end too ! And for mid range and top end 1080p you also add FALD as a bonus like Vizio. You are desperate what can you do...
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