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SAMSUNG TV Line-up 2015
« on: 07 December 2014, 06:56:19 PM »

http://future.wikia.com/wiki/Samsung_2015_Television_Lineup
Judging by the detailed letter designations (at the end of model suffix) Writing it is familiar with the standards of the transmission in the regions and countries. May have learned from me .. ..
because I posted this information in four foreign forum, but frankly I doubt anyone to spend a whole day to draw the writing on the site.



Link impressions do these things
- Samsung skipped letters I and J, by passing in the model designations year directly to the letter K.
- Dual tuners in all models (regardless of the country of destination) ST - 2 x DVB-T2/C/S2
- Missing curved models (Curved)
- There are 42 "instead of the well-known 40" (there are at least two options: buy from another manufacturer or have begun to cut mother glasses in this size) https://www.samsungdisplay.com/eng/product/tv.jsp


-SAMSUNG TV Line-up 2015-

United Kingdom & Ireland

LED TV

KU8700STXXU
    4K UHD
    Smart TV
    Clear Motion Rate 1400
    UHD Dimming
    6 Pairs 3D Glasses
    Available in 55-inch UE55KU8700STXXU, 65-inch UA65KU8700STXXU and 78-inch UA78KU8700STXXU


KU8300STXXU
    4K UHD
    Smart TV
    Clear Motion Rate 1200
    UHD Dimming
    6 Pairs 3D Glasses
    Available in 55-inch UE55KU8300STXXU and 65-inch UE65KU8300STXXU


K8000STXXU
    1080p Full HD
    Smart TV
    Clear Motion Rate 1000
    Micro Dimming Ultimate
    4 Pairs 3D Glasses
    Available in 48-inch UE48K8000STXXU, 55-inch UE55K8000STXXU, 65-inch UE65K8000STXXU and 75-inch UE75K8000STXXU


K7000STXXU
    1080p Full HD
    Smart TV
    Clear Motion Rate 800
    Micro Dimming Pro
    4 Pairs 3D Glasses
    Available in 48-inch UE48K7000STXXU, 55-inch UE55K7000STXXU, 60-inch UE60K7000STXXU, 65-inch UE65K7000STXXU and 75-inch UE75K7000STXXU


K6500STXXU
    1080p Full HD
    Smart TV
    Clear Motion Rate 400
    Micro Dimming
    2 Pairs 3D Glasses
    Available in 42-inch UE42K6500STXXU, 48-inch UE48K6500STXXU, 50-inch UE50K6500STXXU, 55-inch UE55K6500STXXU, 60-inch UE60K6500STXXU, 65-inch UE65K6500STXXU and 75-inch UE75K6500STXXU


K6000STXXU
    1080p Full HD
    Smart TV
    Clear Motion Rate 200
    Available in 32-inch UE32K6000STXXU, 42-inch UE42K6000STXXU, 48-inch UE48K6000STXXU, 50-inch UE50K6000STXXU, 55-inch UE55K6000STXXU, 60-inch UE60K6000STXXU and 65-inch UE65K6000STXXU


K5500STXXU
    1080p Full HD
    Smart TV
    Clear Motion Rate 100
    Available in 32-inch UE32K5500STXXU, 42-inch UE42K5500STXXU and 48-inch UE48K5500STXXU


K5000STXXU
    1080p Full HD
    Clear Motion Rate 100
    Available in 32-inch UE32K5000STXXU, 39-inch UE39K5000STXXU, 42-inch UE42K5000STXXU and 48-inch UE48K5000STXXU


K4000STXXU
    720p HD
    Clear Motion Rate 100
    Available in 23-inch UE23K4000STXXU and 28-inch UE28K4000STXXU


Samsung announced that it will not launch new Oled models, so they need to fill a niche with something..therefore they launch new plasma TVs.

Plasma TV


K8800STXXU
    1080p Full HD
    Smart TV
    600 Hz Subfield Refresh Rate
    4 Pairs 3D Glasses
    Available in 51-inch PS51K8800STXXU, 60-inch PS60K8800STXXU and 64-inch PS64K8800STXXU


K5800STXXU
    1080p Full HD
    Smart TV
    600 Hz Subfield Refresh Rate
    2 Pairs 3D Glasses
    Available in 51-inch PS51K5800STXXU, 60-inch PS60K5800STXXU and 64-inch PS64K5800STXXU


K5200STXXU
    1080p Full HD
    600 Hz Subfield Refresh Rate
    Available in 51-inch PS51K5800STXXU, 60-inch PS60K5200STXXU and 64-inch PS64K5200STXXU


K4600STXXU
    720p HD
    600 Hz Subfield Refresh Rate
    Available in 43-inch PS43K4600STXXU and 51-inch PS51K4600STXXU


http://future.wikia.com/wiki/Samsung_2015_Television_Lineup

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Re: SAMSUNG TV Line-up 2015
« Reply #1 on: 08 December 2014, 03:12:48 PM »
This looks like fake to me.
More likely ( anything below this would be disappointing ) :
.....
• No plasma. Quantum Dot + FALD = OLED competition.
• DVB-C2 & DVB-S2X tuners included.
....

Would you mind telling me, what are you these tuners?  DVB-C2 & DVB-S2X
Do you know how many cable operators offer signal in this standard? For Satellite, will not ask ...
http://www.digitaltveurope.net/?s=DVB-C2

Yes...new models from 8,7 series will have  Tisen OS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I6j0LrOasI
https://www.tizen.org/
https://www.tizenassociation.org/
SDK Download(Software development kit) - Samsung Smart TV Apps Developer Forum

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Re: SAMSUNG TV Line-up 2015
« Reply #2 on: 08 December 2014, 04:24:34 PM »
Would you mind telling me, what are you these tuners?  DVB-C2 & DVB-S2X
Do you know how many cable operators offer signal in this standard? For Satellite, will not ask ...
http://www.digitaltveurope.net/?s=DVB-C2

Yes...new models from 8,7 series will have  Tisen OS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I6j0LrOasI
https://www.tizen.org/
https://www.tizenassociation.org/
SDK Download(Software development kit) - Samsung Smart TV Apps Developer Forum


DVB-C2 & DVB-S2X is buying a TV that is future proof :
http://forums.hdtvtest.co.uk/index.php?topic=9204.msg43351#new

Samsung, Intel are strong developers of Tizen OS. It has a superior architecture (less demanding OS more available power to programs/games) then android or windows since it is based on Linux. However i think it will be used on 5, 6, 7, 8 series since it doesn't cost them anything.

http://www.tizenexperts.com/2014/09/samsung-to-accelerate-the-pace-of-tizen-based-business-from-next-year/

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Kim Hyun-seok, vice president of Samsung’s visual display division, said, “We are preparing to launch Tizen TV by next year. Currently tests are under way to see how stable the system is. By early next year, you will see a lot of TVs with Tizen operating system at CES. As for Samsung Smart TV, it will ultimately be converged toward Tizen.”


That list posted is fake 100%. If Samsung doesn't bring FALD next year and true 120Hz VA / IPS it is going to lose huge market share to Vizio in the USA and USA is a place where Samsung makes most of its money. Also plasma is dead but many lunatics are on the internet.

Redone my prediction for next year.

Anything below this would be disappointing :

• Quantum Dot Film used in LCD LED with 100% of Rec. 2020 color gamut

• Full Array Local Dimming (128, 256, 512 zones)

• High Dynamic Range : http://www.cnet.com/news/behind-the-scenes-with-dolbys-new-hdr-tv-tech/

• 1000 nits LED backlight

• 100% Rec. 2020 color gamut

• True 120 Hz panel for 120 fps in Movies and Games with incredibly low latency.

• Present films in their native 24/48 frames per second without use of 3:2 pulldown.

• Snapdragon 810 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualcomm_Snapdragon#Snapdragon_810

• Tizen OS

• Flicker free like Samsung own monitor line.

• DVB-C2 & DVB-S2X tuners included.

• Samsung ditches 4 series and 720p for all markets.

• Samsung 5 series ( 40", 48", 55" ) :
1080p, basic, no 3D, 8 bit panel + FRC, true 60Hz.

• Samsung 6 series ( 40", 48", 55", 60", 65" ) :
1080p, smart, FALD (128 zones) with 3D, quantum dot film, true 10 bit panel, true 120Hz, HDR

• Samsung 7 series ( 50", 55", 60", 65", 75" )
2160p, smart, FALD (256 zones) with 3D, quantum dot film, true 10 bit panel, true 120Hz, HDR

• Samsung 8 series ( 55", 60", 65", 75", 85" )
2160p, smart, FALD (512 zones) with 3D, quantum dot film, true 10 bit panel, true 120Hz, HDR
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Re: SAMSUNG TV Line-up 2015
« Reply #4 on: 08 December 2014, 05:35:18 PM »
Thank you for the link.

However i am sure HDR, 10 bit, Rec.2020 color space via quantum dot, 100/120Hz are coming in 2015 regardless what the "Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers" dreams.

European Broadcasting Union is actually asking for enhanced 1080P. How is Samsung going to sell hardware like that ? It won't be able so new hardware is given to the market in advance from manufacturers regardless of what the EBU wants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Motion_Picture_and_Television_Engineers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Broadcasting_Union

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Re: SAMSUNG TV Line-up 2015
« Reply #5 on: 08 December 2014, 05:44:24 PM »
Implementation of all the new standards will become more expensive products and make it unsaleable.
No sense of the production of models with HDR and 10 bit panel, since there is no such video.

Here roadmap presented by DVB (EBU document by 18 March 2014):
click above to maximize

Note: written in bold is established and will not change.
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Re: SAMSUNG TV Line-up 2015
« Reply #6 on: 08 December 2014, 05:55:18 PM »
Anything below this would be disappointing :
<...>
All I can say is... prepare to be dissappointed. These specs are improbable everywhere except for the higher-end series which will be more costly that you wish.

How is Samsung going to sell hardware like that ? It won't be able so new hardware is given to the market in advance from manufacturers regardless of what the EBU wants.
Samsung wants money, and they will comfortly sell Rec.709-based TVs like hot cakes to achieve that goal, believe me.

No sense of the production of models with HDR and 10 bit panel, since there is no such video.
I can't imagine how will they roll it out to the public. There will be so much confusion between the content, signal sources and displays. How will HDR+10 bit+Rec.2020 work out, when not every company managed to implement Rec. 709 properly (with gamma, colours and processing close to reference)?
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« Reply #7 on: 08 December 2014, 06:28:35 PM »
Anything below this would be disappointing :
<...>

All I can say is... prepare to be dissappointed. These specs are improbable everywhere except for the higher-end series which will be more costly that you wish.

How is Samsung going to sell hardware like that ? It won't be able so new hardware is given to the market in advance from manufacturers regardless of what the EBU wants.

Samsung wants money, and they will comfortly sell Rec.709-based TVs like hot cakes to achieve that goal, believe me.

No sense of the production of models with HDR and 10 bit panel, since there is no such video.

I can't imagine how will they roll it out to the public. There will be so much confusion between the content, signal sources and displays. How will HDR+10 bit+Rec.2020 work out, when not every company managed to implement Rec. 709 properly (with gamma, colours and processing close to reference)?


No company will ever care to implement Rec. 709 properly.

10 bit + Rec.2020 color space is easy. I posted a link before but you never read it. It involved something like conversion / mapping from rec 2020 to rec 709 and from rec 709 to rec 2020. (the topic where David told me to behave)

The conclusion is that all TVs must be able to do this and they said in the article it was quite simple.

HDR just use brighter LEDs 800+ like Vizio Reference Series and FALD + an algorithm. (again you didn't even read the link in this topic so why comment ?) http://www.cnet.com/news/behind-the-scenes-with-dolbys-new-hdr-tv-tech/

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« Reply #8 on: 08 December 2014, 06:38:57 PM »
10 bit + Rec.2020 color space is easy.
Yeah, that's why still nobody done it 100%, and it was adopted more than 2 years ago. :chin: ::)

HDR just use brighter LEDs 800+ like Vizio Reference Series and FALD + an algorithm.
It always look simple on paper. Just wait and see the first products, which will suffer from bugs and shortcomings as usual.
The combination of HDR, 10 bits and Rec. 2020 can potentially introduce so many problems in a single unit, it would take forever to fix it.
I'm just gonna take some popcorn and watch how it comes out. It'll be fun, I'm telling you.
They said UHDTV is a piece of cake, and we still see some half-assed LCD TVs not able to do 24p properly. Sure, HDR is so simple. You just have to have such content and extremely tricky gamma-correction to do this.

HDR just use brighter LEDs 800+ like Vizio Reference Series and FALD + an algorithm.
Sure, but what about gamma? Setting it up properly is PITA with constant backlight, and here we are talking about many more variables in the process.
Setting eye-searing dynamic brightness is as old as the Universe, but it's not the HDR.
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« Reply #9 on: 08 December 2014, 06:41:38 PM »
Implementation of all the new standards will become more expensive products and make it unsaleable.
No sense of the production of models with HDR and 10 bit panel, since there is no such video.

Here roadmap presented by DVB (EBU document by 18 March 2014):
click above to maximize

Note: written in bold is established and will not change.


10 bit is indeed more expensive than 8 bit.

The EBU written on 18 march 2014 :

• They gave for 2014 and duplicated the same expectations for 2015 what manufacturers already announced at CES 2014.

•  They also begged for enhanced 1080P ( HDR, 120Hz, rec 2020 color space )

• For 2016 they have nothing. Probably waiting for manufacturers to lead the way.

• For 2017/2018 they ask what they will get from manufacturers next year in 2015.

• 2019/2020 is absent

• 2020+ is some distant fantasy prediction.

These "specialists" just use Canon/Nikon/Sony cameras ( where Canon/Nikon/Sony decides what specs to use ) to film some stupid news/films/sports and display them on Samsung/Sony/LG/Panasonic/Sharp/Toshiba/Vizio TVs (where Samsung/Sony/LG/Panasonic/Sharp/Toshiba/Vizio decides what specs to use )

The manufacturers dictate the market not the so called "specialists" that beg and make star predictions.

We could be stuck in "phase 1" forever if the camera and display makers decide that. The EBU can't ask for laser equipment in 2050+ if the equipment makers don't want to make it for various reasons like profit. EBU are children begging for candy.

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« Reply #10 on: 08 December 2014, 06:45:22 PM »
10 bit + Rec.2020 color space is easy.
Yeah, that's why still nobody done it 100%, and it was adopted more than 2 years ago. :chin: ::)

HDR just use brighter LEDs 800+ like Vizio Reference Series and FALD + an algorithm.
It always look simple on paper. Just wait and see the first products, which will suffer from bugs and shortcomings as usual.
The combination of HDR, 10 bits and Rec. 2020 can potentially introduce so many problems in a single unit, it would take forever to fix it.
I'm just gonna take some popcorn and watch how it comes out. It'll be fun, I'm telling you.
They said UHDTV is a piece of cake, and we still see some half-assed LCD TVs not able to do 24p properly. Sure, HDR is so simple. You just have to have such content and extremely tricky gamma-correction to do this.

2020 can't be made without 10 bit. Samsung promised quantum dot TV that will reach rec 2020 in 2015 (so they will use 10 bit).

Do i trust you or do i trust Samsung ?

So many problems. If you are so smart as you say and eager to change things why don't you work at Samsung and help those poor scientists do a better job.

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« Reply #11 on: 08 December 2014, 06:49:31 PM »
2020 can't be made without 10 bit.
It can be made with 8 bit, why not? But there would be more banding than desired, that's not good.
The main reason it's not done is lack of content. And the wide spectrum, but that is partially solved now.

So many problems. If you are so smart as you say and eager to change things why don't you work at Samsung and help those poor scientists do a better job.
I evaluate their products and point out what's good and what's bad in there.
Seeing how Rec.709 was done, I can't imagine transition to Rec.2020 being as easy as pancakes.
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« Reply #12 on: 08 December 2014, 07:33:55 PM »
Wow Samsung releasing new PDP's I thought they were finished producing these?

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« Reply #13 on: 08 December 2014, 11:01:11 PM »
2020 can't be made without 10 bit.
It can be made with 8 bit, why not? But there would be more banding than desired, that's not good.
The main reason it's not done is lack of content. And the wide spectrum, but that is partially solved now.

So many problems. If you are so smart as you say and eager to change things why don't you work at Samsung and help those poor scientists do a better job.
I evaluate their products and point out what's good and what's bad in there.
Seeing how Rec.709 was done, I can't imagine transition to Rec.2020 being as easy as pancakes.

I agree.
They will solve these problems. Cameras can film in 14 bit Rec 2020 now.

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On September 4, 2014, Canon Inc. announced that with a firmware upgrade they will add support for the Rec. 2020 color space to their EOS C500 and EOS C500 PL camera models and their DP-V3010 4K display.

The cameras were never the problem. The display sector is lagging behind everything else ( that and batteries )

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« Reply #14 on: 08 December 2014, 11:03:18 PM »
Wow Samsung releasing new PDP's I thought they were finished producing these?

Wow. No plasma in 2015. Hate the buzzing hate the flicker. The list is pure speculation created from the evolution of 2013 & 2014 models.

HDR will have the biggest impact with content made for it.
Next in impact is Rec 2020 color space 10 bit with content made for it.
4K has the smallest impact.

But together a new era. By 2016 news will appear about quantum dot TV that will replace both OLED & LCD (cheaper, more durable, less energy usage, better picture quality than both)
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