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Is the TV CPU (+- GPU) able to play full BluRay bitrate from a USB stick ?

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Some old desktop CPU like Athon XP 3200+ or higher and Pentium 4 3.6 Ghz or higher (both with a 6600GT GPU) are unable to play the content of a full BluRay 1080p bitrate with audio and all. The CPU goes over 100% in these cases and the movies are in slow motion / shutter and they are totally unwatchable.

The CPUs/GPUs inside TVs are mobile processors that use very little Watts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instructions_per_second

Here is the minimum CPU you need to play full 1080p BluRay with and without hardware acceleration (with or without a dedicated GPU) : http://www.cyberlink.com/support/product-faq-content.do?id=2576

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What are the recommended CPU requirements to Blu-ray/Blu-ray 3D Disc titles and TrueTheater 3D on my computer?

Blu-ray disc and TrueTheater 3D playback

The playback of high definition DVD titles requires higher CPU speed. The following is a list of the recommended CPU requirements to play Blu-ray Disc titles:

 

Intel (Minimum):

Pentium 4 541 3.2 GHz, Pentium D 840 3.2 GHz, Pentium D 930 3.0 GHz, 935 3.2GHz or 940 3.2 GHz, Core Duo T2400 1.83 GHz, Pentium M 755 2.0 GHz, Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8 GHz, or T5600 1.83 GHz

 

Intel (Recommended):

Pentium EE 840 3.2 GHz, 955 3.4 GHz or 965 3.73 GHz, Pentium D 945 3.4 GHz, 950 3.4 GHz or 960 3.6 GHz, Core Duo T2500 2.0 GHz, T2600 2.16 GHz, or T2700 2.33 GHz, Core 2 Duo E6300 1.8 GHz, E6400 2.13 GHz, E6600 2.4 GHz, E6700 2.66 GHZ or X6800 2.93 GHz, T7200 2.00 GHz, T7400 2.16 GHz, T7600 2.33 GHz, Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4 GHz, Core 2 Extreme QX6700 2.66 GHz, or X6800 2.93 GHz

 

AMD (Minimum):

Athlon 64 X2 3800+ 2.0 GHz or 4000+ 2.0 GHz, Turion 64 X2 TL-50 1.6 GHz, TL-52 1.6 GHz or TL-56 1.8 GHz   

 

AMD (Recommended):

Athlon 64 FX FX-60 2.6 GHz or FX-62 2.8 GHz, Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 2.2 GHz, 4400+ 2.2 GHz, 4600+ 2.4 GHz, 4800+ 2.4 GHz or 5000+ 2.6 GHz, Turion 64 X2 TL-60 2.0 GHz

 

Note: The list above is subject to change. Please visit the CyberLink Blu-ray Disc Support Web site for the latest CPU support list. Please note CyberLink does not guarantee the CPUs listed here can play all Blu-ray Disc titles smoothly due to some titles needing higher CPU speed.

 

Blu-ray 3D disc without Hardware Acceleration
The playback of high definition DVD titles requires higher CPU speed. The following is a list of the recommended CPU requirements to play Blu-ray 3D Disc titles:

Intel (Minimum):
Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 2.66 GHz or above.

Intel (Recommended):
Intel Core i5 650 3.2GHz or above.

AMD (Minimum):
AMD Phenom X4 9450 2.10GHz or above. 

AMD (Recommended):
AMD Phenom X4 945 3.0GHz or above.
 
Note: The list above is subject to change. Please visit the CyberLink Blu-ray Disc Support Web site for the latest CPU support list. Please note CyberLink does not guarantee the CPUs listed here can play all Blu-ray Disc titles smoothly due to some titles needing higher CPU speed.

Blu-ray 3D disc with Hardware Acceleration
The playback of high definition DVD titles requires higher CPU speed. The following is a list of the recommended CPU requirements to play Blu-ray 3D Disc titles:

Intel (Minimum):
Intel Pentium D 950 3.0GHz or above.

Intel (Recommended):
Intel Core i5 650 3.2GHz or above.

AMD (Minimum):
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ 2.4 GHz or above.

AMD (Recommended):
AMD Phenom X4 945 3.0GHz or above.


I am sure ARM A9 / A15 - A17 are unable to play the full bit-rate of a 1080p BluRay equivalent.

So the first test is : Get a full BluRay movie or sample and put it on a large USB stick, put it in a TV and play the movie and see if the CPU/GPU are able to play it naturally without slow motion or shutters.

Test 2 : .For 4K the Sony A17 dual core SoC may very well not work Since 4K needs 4 times more CPU power. so they are probably thinking that BluRay players are now 100% needed to play a movie.

Test 3 : Will the full 1080p BluRay bit-rate work with USB 2 or you need a USB 3 ? What about 4K ?

So people should be very careful because the TVs won't be able to play a full 1080p BluRay content if that content is on a USB stick and the TV SoC needs to do all the work ! Only 1080p BluRay rips of much lower bit rate or in 720p may work. Furthermore a BluRay player would be required to be able to process all this information from now on. (especially on 4K)

Please test !
« Last Edit: 27 January 2015, 02:13:21 PM by Xerox »

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Also see if they can play 3D BluRay content from a USB disk.

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TVs and players do hardware decoding, it comes "for free" for their CPU anyway.
The reason old PC slows down is that it does software decoding on CPU, which is much slower by definition.
What's to "test" there? Let's run 3D Mark on TV and see where it gets us. There're very few things more pointless that this.
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TVs and players do hardware decoding, it comes "for free" for their CPU anyway.
The reason old PC slows down is that it does software decoding on CPU, which is much slower by definition.
What's to "test" there? Let's run 3D Mark on TV and see where it gets us. There're very few things more pointless that this.

A pointless thing would be you giving wrong information instead of real facts.

TVs are unable to play BluRay bit-rate on their tiny mobile chips. ( if the content is on a USB stick ) .

A rip maybe, but that one is 10 times smaller thus 10 times easier on the hardware. Full BluRay 1080p bitrate = incapable without a beefed up external BluRay player that uses Intel laptop chip.

Moreover hardware vs software is not enough to make a mobile chip beat a desktop class CPU/GPU that can't play properly a full BluRay movie.

The test is simple, put a full BluRay movie [50GB+] on a USB stick and see if the TV is capable of playing that without slow motion.

Is it useless ? No, because it will show if the TV can play full bit-rate of a BluRay movie or full video from DSLR camera on its own or if it needs an external BluRay player with laptop chip to do that.

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Full BluRay 1080p bitrate = incapable without a beefed up external BluRay player that uses Intel laptop chip.

Moreover hardware vs software is not enough to make a mobile chip beat a desktop class CPU/GPU that can't play properly a full BluRay movie.
Blu-Ray with Intel laptop chip? Sorry, u mad? There's not one in existence on this side of Universe.

Blu-Ray player can be done with a single SoC system with basic ARM CPU, because the whole video decoding is done in hardware. There's a separate hardware block, which perfectly decodes any Blu-Ray video, because that's what it was done for, period. It doesn't give any load on general-purpose CPU.

You're completely wrong with how it works, it's just amazing how a person can be so ignorant. :bash:

The test is simple, put a full BluRay movie [50GB+] on a USB stick and see if the TV is capable of playing that without slow motion.
Any decent modern TV can do that. Because they work completely different from PC with generic x86 CPU.

Is it useless ? No, because it will show if the TV can play full bit-rate of a BluRay movie or full video from DSLR camera on its own or if it needs an external BluRay player with laptop chip to do that.
Yup, it is utterly and completely useless. You're making these crazy assumptions up, because there's no connection between TV, Blu-Ray player and x86 CPU, for a start. Their hardware is totally different.
Please, at least try to Google hardware decoding and Blu-Ray player schematics before posting such nonsense. This has to stop, really.
« Last Edit: 04 February 2015, 02:35:17 PM by FoxHounder »
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Don't insult me you sweaty pig.



Read : http://www.cyberlink.com/support/product-faq-content.do?id=5972

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Which graphic cards support Hardware Decoding?

The playback of Blu-ray/Blu-ray 3D Disc requires a powerful computer, such as a Dual-core or Quad-core CPU.

Some graphics cards include hardware decoding, meaning that you donít need to use a powerful computer. When you play back Blu-ray Discs, the graphics card will share the decoding process and reduce the CPU usage.

The following is a list of the graphics cards that support hardware decoding:
Blu-ray disc
Nvidia: GeForce 8000, 9000 Series
ATI: ATI Radeon HD 2000, 3000 Series

Blu-ray 3D disc
Nvidia: GeForce GT240/320/330/340 and GTX 400 Series
Intel: Core i3 and i5 CPU integrate Graphics (Intel Graphic Media Accelerator HD)


Interesting table : http://kodi.wiki/view/Android_hardware

I am telling you there are TVs that shutter when playing full 1080p full BluRay bit rate from a USB stick and it is the fault of the SoC and bad hardware decoding. (they can do BluRay rips but not full, in order to force you to buy an external BluRay player)

Since you did zero tests about this issue i call you a liar.

Sony "X-Reality PRO" what SoC does it use ?
« Last Edit: 04 February 2015, 07:23:30 PM by Xerox »

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Don't insult me you sweaty pig.
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